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Anyong Bluth 02-19-2016 05:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 12090381)
I'm worried that Dayton is falling in love with reclamation projects. Between Soria, Hochevar, Medlen, Minor, Young, and Kennedy, we could have purchased a top of the rotation starter and a decent second baseman. Were talking about nearly $35,000,000 worth of salary for those players in 2016.
What's the punchline?

duncan_idaho 02-19-2016 06:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 12090381)
I'm worried that Dayton is falling in love with reclamation projects. Between Soria, Hochevar, Medlen, Minor, Young, and Kennedy, we could have purchased a top of the rotation starter and a decent second baseman. Were talking about nearly $35,000,000 worth of salary for those players in 2016.

I don't think it's that. I think it's finding good value. Those are all short deals with small individual risk. Spreading the money out improves your depth and leaves you less vulnerable to a single UCL.

You're also looking at, minimum, two rotation members and likely three (or around 450-550 IP). As well as two key bullpen arms, and someone who has a good chance to be in the rotation next year.

srvy 02-19-2016 06:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lewdog (Post 12090149)
More starting pitching depth!

Dayton, I am naming my first kid after you.
Is there something we don't know soon to occur?

srvy 02-19-2016 06:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 12090381)
I'm worried that Dayton is falling in love with reclamation projects. Between Soria, Hochevar, Medlen, Minor, Young, and Kennedy, we could have purchased a top of the rotation starter and a decent second baseman. Were talking about nearly $35,000,000 worth of salary for those players in 2016.
Gotta be one in every crowd. :grr:

Saul Good 02-19-2016 06:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 12090436)
I don't think it's that. I think it's finding good value. Those are all short deals with small individual risk. Spreading the money out improves your depth and leaves you less vulnerable to a single UCL.

You're also looking at, minimum, two rotation members and likely three (or around 450-550 IP). As well as two key bullpen arms, and someone who has a good chance to be in the rotation next year.
I get what he's doing, but were talking about a quarter of our entire payroll. I'd rather pay $20,000,000 for an ace, $10,000,000 for a quality 2B, and find a solid bullpen arm for $5,000,000. All of these things are very doable with the money that went to these guys.

$15,000,000 to Soria and Hochevar seems absurd to me when they aren't even our 8th or 9th inning guys and we have serious question marks at SP, 2B, and RF.

Coach 02-19-2016 06:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat (Post 12089893)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Royals?src=hash">#Royals</a> have signed LHP Mike Minor to a 2 year major league contract with a mutual option for 2018. He was formerly with the Braves.</p>&mdash; The Program (@theprogramkc) <a href="https://twitter.com/theprogramkc/status/700751873670668288">February 19, 2016</a></blockquote>
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Minor gets a two-year deal: $2M this year, $4M in 2017, mutual option in 2018 -- $10M with $1.5M buyout. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Royals?src=hash">#Royals</a></p>&mdash; Jeffrey Flanagan (@FlannyMLB) <a href="https://twitter.com/FlannyMLB/status/700751674780962816">February 19, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Boom. I called that a while back.

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Why Not? 02-19-2016 06:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 12090448)
I get what he's doing, but were talking about a quarter of our entire payroll. I'd rather pay $20,000,000 for an ace, $10,000,000 for a quality 2B, and find a solid bullpen arm for $5,000,000. All of these things are very doable with the money that went to these guys.

$15,000,000 to Soria and Hochevar seems absurd to me when they aren't even our 8th or 9th inning guys and we have serious question marks at SP, 2B, and RF.
But we always have question marks at SP, 2B, and RF. The heavy investment in relief pitching has been aces the past two years. Not to mention, last year's crop of questionable/risky signings played an integral part of winning the WS. Does it bite us this year? Maybe. But until otherwise broken, might as well stay the course.

Unsmooth-Moment 02-19-2016 06:52 PM
We're champs. Let 'em do whatever the hell they want to do.

BigCatDaddy 02-19-2016 07:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 12090448)
I get what he's doing, but were talking about a quarter of our entire payroll. I'd rather pay $20,000,000 for an ace, $10,000,000 for a quality 2B, and find a solid bullpen arm for $5,000,000. All of these things are very doable with the money that went to these guys.

$15,000,000 to Soria and Hochevar seems absurd to me when they aren't even our 8th or 9th inning guys and we have serious question marks at SP, 2B, and RF.
Herrera for sure getting the 8th? I think that is Sorias.

duncan_idaho 02-19-2016 07:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 12090448)
I get what he's doing, but were talking about a quarter of our entire payroll. I'd rather pay $20,000,000 for an ace, $10,000,000 for a quality 2B, and find a solid bullpen arm for $5,000,000. All of these things are very doable with the money that went to these guys.



$15,000,000 to Soria and Hochevar seems absurd to me when they aren't even our 8th or 9th inning guys and we have serious question marks at SP, 2B, and RF.

In a one-year vacuum, I'm with you. But the risk with that ace signing is pretty huge.

Hochevar is making $5 million, so I think you're already lined up there.

Prison Bitch 02-19-2016 07:54 PM
ESPN poll of execs:

Worst FA signing
1. Ian Kennedy 15
2. Heyward 8


Best minor league FA signing

1. Dillon Gee 10
2. Bronson Arroyo 6
3. Travis Snider 4

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/14...-mlb-offseason

Anyong Bluth 02-19-2016 08:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 12090531)
ESPN poll of execs:

Worst FA signing
1. Ian Kennedy 15
2. Heyward 8


Best minor league FA signing

1. Dillon Gee 10
2. Bronson Arroyo 6
3. Travis Snider 4

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/14...-mlb-offseason
Oh all the execs that haven't been to back to back WS, and won it last year.

Saul Good 02-19-2016 09:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 12090512)
In a one-year vacuum, I'm with you. But the risk with that ace signing is pretty huge.

Hochevar is making $5 million, so I think you're already lined up there.
I look at this season as a one year vacuum. I'm not screaming bloody murder or anything, but we seem to have a ton of payroll tied up in luxuries for a team with 2 glaring issues in our lineup.

Why Not? 02-19-2016 10:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 12090531)
ESPN poll of execs:

Worst FA signing
1. Ian Kennedy 15
2. Heyward 8


Best minor league FA signing

1. Dillon Gee 10
2. Bronson Arroyo 6
3. Travis Snider 4

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/14...-mlb-offseason

After Kevin Love made the ESPN created list of the top 100 NBA players of all time, I cannot take anything they put out seriously.

KChiefs1 02-19-2016 11:29 PM
*** Official 2016 Royals Offseason Repository ***
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 12090531)
ESPN poll of execs:

Worst FA signing
1. Ian Kennedy 15
2. Heyward 8


Best minor league FA signing

1. Dillon Gee 10
2. Bronson Arroyo 6
3. Travis Snider 4

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/14...-mlb-offseason

Every expert on MLBN has questioned the Kennedy signing. I believe it was 3rd on the list of worst offseason moves.

Fangraphs:

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-w...016-offseason/


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