i just said that you shouldnt include the angle. why? thats not how ANYONE calls it.

then the asshole wants to jump in and put in his 2 ****ing cents. **** him

For the purposes of our discussion, the angle was relevant.

It's also relevant to NFL scouts who want to know if a guy can throw a 15-yard out with zip.

Dude, have you ever considered just settling down and not telling everyone **** you and **** this and **** that at any sign of disagreement?

We're all friends here.

Exactly.

That's why guys with a strong arm are coveted.

Being able to throw a 15-20 yard out and not give a DB time to jump it is crucial.

have you ever seen me get that way unprovoked? oh and **** him. i disagree with people who dont act as though they are the end all be all quite often and it never gets that way. otw is just a conceited asshole

No.

:p

i agree cassel will be ok, hoping for more out of him though

It absolutely IS the most ridiculous QB discussion I've ever seen.

I'd like for somebody to calculate the throw as if Cassel was on the moon.

That would be a floater, but the speed of opposing defensive backs might be affected by the low gravity.

I'm sure the Patriots would try to cheat with jetpacks on the moon.

You know, it seems like yesterday you were just a kid getting banned every other minute.

Now, all growed up and trying to sow seed. How did it all happen so fast?

OK. Here is the final word on this bullshit

Frozen. ****ing. Rope.

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Nice!

I'm gonna say Cassel is about 22 yards from the sideline...judging by the hash marks....the ball travels 30 yards up field at an angle....so that's about a 35-yard throw.

The funny part is that you actually consider yourself 'educated'.

Of course they want a 15 yard out with zip.... but they still call it a 15 yard out, not a 20.25 yard out taking into consideration the angle.

Plus, the throw for the 15 yard out is MUCH different that a throw downfield.

A 15 yard out has to get there in a hurry. You are throwing into traffic.

Downfield, especially if you look off the safety, you just have to lay it up and give your WR a shot at the ball. Place it on the outside shoulder to where he can only get it.

Talking about the angle on a downfield throw is stupid.