Yes. that's exactly what happened every game, every play in 2008. WR screens. He never ever completed any pass downfield. Duh. Clearly you didn't watch any Patriots games in 2008. He had back to back 400 yard games throwing WR screens. Sure.
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Don't be givin' Sweet Dick the evil eye, boy.

Basically Chiefs fans don't want to draft QB's unless they are perfect prospects and there are no perfect prospects, even Manning wasn't.

I mean really if I use Guardian's post as the foundation, you wouldn't draft Rivers or Roethlisberger.

Roethlisberger was drafted right where he should have been, if not higher. Major talent, minor school. So no, I wouldn't have taken him at 3 based on what I knew at the time.

Rivers is a different story.

Sanchez started one year at USC and was coming out as a Junior. That's not the pedigree for a top-5 pick in my book. He should've stayed in school another year. And I think his performance in New York reflects that. He just didn't have the foundation of a successful rookie starter like Ryan or Flacco. I think he's somebody that should have gone in the 20s, if not later, and in a stronger QB class, or a stronger draft, he certainly would have. He's like Aaron Curry in that regard.

Clausen is a risk I might take. A pro style quarterback with three years as a starter in a major program (which is the reason I don't think he's there at 3). Bradford, on the other hand, is not. Spread QB injured for a whole year? Not touching that.

Either way, I think it'll be a great day when you finally get away from this idea that everybody who disagrees with you is some kind of brain-dead idiot who doesn't have any concrete reasoning behind what they think. People have different opinions, that's okay and it's not any kind of slam against you.

Don't mention that Roethlisberger was in a spread and had very limited starting experience.

The number of starts is a big thing. I think it's showed with Sanchex this year. He's looked immature and done some immature things too. Will he pan out? Only time will tell. So I guess you could make 'number of starts' and 'only a jr' the same thing. Maybe. I'm not on the Clausen wagon but the situation does hold a little intrigue for the fans. And that includes me. (I didn't say true fans either so don't start.)


PhilFree:arrow:

His 'very limited starting experience' was the same as Clausen's was it not? 3 years?

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make there.

OK he did start 1 more year than I thought, confused him with someone else there, my mistake.

I didn't think he was a 3 year starter since he declared as a junior.

Isn't it like 30 starts or something as the cut off for success and failure? I don't mean always of course but as a bench mark.

PhilFree:arrow:

I mean that's nice and all but there are so many different ways to knock a QB there aren't even bench marks anymore.

Rivers had basically all of the stats all this all that, he got knocked because he throws the ball funny.

Roethlisberger was a redshirt, too, as I recall. So he was in the Miami program for 4 years, starting 3. Whereas I think Clausen is a true junior. But while he is a junior, he's an experienced one and clearly the pick of the 2010 litter. His leaving makes sense to me, too, with a new coaching regime coming in; odds are he can't do anything but hurt his draft status by staying another year.

I hope he's there at 3, because it would open up all kind of possibilities. My guess is the Rams take him, however.

After him, there's nobody at QB I'd take at 3. Bradford's too big a risk and I think Mallet needs another year.

Stafford and Sanchez have nearly identical stats this year.

Stafford was a 3 year starter, and Sanchez started 1 year.

Stafford has the better weapons to throw to, while Sanchez has the better OL and running game.

I don't think college starts really has THAT much to do with it - both guys have played like rookies this year.

And that's what everybody seems to forget - Rothlisberger, Ryan, etc are the exception, not the rule.

Peyton sucked his rookie year. So did Aikman. So did Elway. Fact is, almost ALL rookie QB's have a learning curve.

Christ, it took Eli Manning 4 years to play to his potential, and once he did, he won a Championship.

Someone is going to come into this thread and berate you saying that every single one of those guys looked better than Sanchez.

Granted, it's early, but everything I've heard from my guy here in town is that they're going to have to come up with a damn good reason NOT to take Suh.

They think that with better OL play, Boller can be serviceable, and they are intrigued by Craig Nall.

Time will tell, I guess.