And yet, NONE of those players are anywhere close to an average build. Like I've said about a hundred times in this thread already, BMI doesn't work well at all for professional athletes. They are simply too extreme, many are not naturally that large, and it just isn't applicable to those extreme cases. Out of the hundreds of millions of Americans, we're talking about less than 1% of the population, even if you factor in NCAA athletes and professionals. If there are around 4 million athletes, and 307 million Americans, who is the minority?

I don't want to play semantics, but I think you know what I meant. You can safely lower your body fat to around 5-7% for men and stay there pretty much indefinitely. Most people aren't even close to those levels.

No, what I said is that BMI doesn't work for professional athletes. It's a point that I've already conceded. BMI doesn't work well for professional athletes. It would be interesting to see, though, what changes are seen in their BMI once they retire and stop working out so intensely.

And? None of those categories will put a dent in the majority of people.

As I've already said it doesn't.

And yet another site full of examples of people in the minority.

I'm not "putting stock" in it so much as I'm simply trying to say that using extreme examples to support why it sucks isn't a good idea. Most people simply don't fall into that classification.

Again, I never said it's the end-all, be-all of measurements. It's just a tool that for most Americans, works pretty well as an assessment of how overweight one is.

Tell you this - I'll sum up my argument simply:

BMI doesn't work for everyone, especially not professional athletes. Most people fall into the average range for whom the BMI works quite well. It's not perfect. It shouldn't be used as any kind of sole determinant of the quality of health of a person. It's not as inaccurate a measurement as many people like to believe.

It is a factor. Anything flash frozen tastes just fine. And again, much of the taste aspect comes with how you thaw it. Watch the episode of Good Eats called "Frozen Cache" and Alton Brown shows you exactly how to properly thaw (and freeze) foods that maximize their storage life and taste once you thaw them from frozen.

Is frozen the best option for taste? Of course not. But it's not nearly pig-slop, either, if frozen and thawed properly.

We live in a free country.


If a person wants to drink Crisco and snort bacon grease, more power to them. If they want to grow to 1300 pounds, I have no problem with that, either.
Don't expect me to have sympathy for you, and definately don't expect me to pay for care.

Now that we have opened the door and allowed the government into our healthcare, we should expect more and more of this bullshit.

When the government gets involved with anything, our freedoms go down the shitter.

If you have health insurance you're currently paying for that person's care. They spread the costs over as many people as they can.

I'm not making the argument that a government plan is better. I'm just saying that we're all currently tied together anyway.

This thread is so, so frustrating to read. It is jumping around everywhere; from debate over fresh vs frozen vegetables, to government health care.

I think there are plenty of factors to blame for the obesity problem in the USA, it can't just be narrowed down to one issue.

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I agree and I think it's wrong. If a person eats themselves to blue whale proportions, they need to take the responablility of paying for their fatass.


It will never happen, though. We live in an entitlement and blame everyone but ourself society.

This is exactly right. It's the fault of McDonald's that you had the double cheese and fries combo with an X-large Coke instead of making a salad at home and drinking tea or water.

It's the fault of the DVD player that you sat on your ass all day watching TV instead of going outside and taking a walk. Then again, that could be the fault of Global Warming!

How is it that this thread is still in the Lounge? Jeez, RWNJ sourced article, endless half-baked attacks on Obama, requisite Muslim terrorist... this thread IS dc.

Well it got great response... probably because 3/4 of Chiefsplanet is fat...

It can go to DC anytime, I have no ego about it. Just thought it would create interesting discussions in the lounge... and it did.

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!

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Kudos on predicting GoChiefs to go Full reerun.