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htismaqe 05-01-2012 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 8583494)
Last years schedule wasn't hard. We lost 5 games to non-playoff teams and beat 2 teams picking in the top 3. Great accomplishment.
I think you missed the point.

I'm not saying either year, 2010 or 2011, was a great accomplishment.

I'm saying that anybody expecting us to go WORSE than 7-9 this year are in for a surprise.

We'll likely win 9 or 10 - just enough for the front office to "justify" allowing Cassel to play out his contract.

htismaqe 05-01-2012 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Satanic Goat (Post 8583557)
Common denominator during those blowouts: terrible QB play, especially on third down.

That's why Kyle Orton is my sweet baboo. At least he can move those chains.
And then toss a pick in the red zone.

htismaqe 05-01-2012 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8584147)
In a way, I wish we were that bad.

Maybe then we would have a chance at a real quarterback next April and have hope to win it all in a couple years.

Reality is we have a better shot at being a playoff team next year than drafting in the top 5.

I'm just gonna try to enjoy the ride and trust that Cassel is on a short leash and that Stanzi will get a chance this year.
THIS.

htismaqe 05-01-2012 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 8584677)
Last place schedule. First place schedule.

You realize that only determines 2 of our 13 opponents? 2 games, out of the 16 we play are going to be determined by last year's record.

And it hardly guarantees those 2 teams will be easy/hard. Playing the last place team in a tough division could be just as difficult as playing a first place team in a weak division.

This year we play the last place team from the AFC South and AFC East I believe. Playing a team like Buffalo is not the same as playing Cleveland.

The whole X place schedule discussion is largely worthless.
Then suggesting we're worse than a 7-9 team is even MORE ridiculous.

Dayze 05-01-2012 07:57 AM
The fact that this defense is on it's way to being a really really good defense; and that we have a good stable of RBs....but a shit QB, reminds me of the line from Raising Arizona:


Eight hundred leaf tables and no
chairs?! You can't sell leaf tables
and no chairs! Chairs, you got a
dinette set! No chairs, you got dick!


Franchise QBs are Chairs.
Championships are sales
Chiefs are 800 chairless leaf tables.

FringeNC 05-01-2012 08:00 AM
Looking at the Sagarin ratings for the last two years which taken into account strength of schedule, margin of victory (defeat), and all that other stuff, it had us 24th in 2010 and 29th in 2011. It's pretty accurate in predicting the Vegas line, and overall a pretty solid ranking system.

You win in the NFL by having a decent defense, and the ability to move the ball through the air. We have a decent defense, but unless Daboll is able to get a hell of a lot more out of Cassel than Haley was, how are we going to consistently move the ball through the air?

With a good running attack, a good D, and only throwing occasionally, I can see us beating bad to average teams in close games, but we'll get blown out against teams again unless our passing attack improves.

Edit: Pioli essentially doubled down on Cassel, and is implicitly blaming Haley (and evidently our O-line) for our passing woes. If Cassel does not dramatically improve, Pioli shouldn't have a job next year.

htismaqe 05-01-2012 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by FringeNC (Post 8584793)
Looking at the Sagarin ratings for the last two years which taken into account strength of schedule, margin of victory (defeat), and all that other stuff, it had us 24th in 2010 and 29th in 2011. It's pretty accurate in predicting the Vegas line, and overall a pretty solid ranking system.

You win in the NFL by having a decent defense, and the ability to move the ball through the air. We have a decent defense, but unless Daboll is able to get a hell of a lot more out of Cassel than Haley was, how are we going to consistently move the ball through the air?

With a good running attack, a good D, and only throwing occasionally, I can see us beating bad to average teams in close games, but we'll get blown out against teams again unless our passing attack improves.

Edit: Pioli essentially doubled down on Cassel, and is implicitly blaming Haley (and evidently our O-line) for our passing woes. If Cassel does not dramatically improve, Pioli shouldn't have a job next year.
Excellent post.

Chiefnj2 05-01-2012 08:16 AM
For years Pioli has talked about drafting the right players - team captains, high character players, etc.

Yet last year, there was an obvious difference when the players took the field for Romeo than they did in Haley's last few games. If you've been drafting high character players, shouldn't those guys give the same effort no matter who is coach?

As far as schedule is concerned WHEN you play someone is just as important as WHO you play.

Dave Lane 05-01-2012 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 8582869)
Actually playing backups QBs all but the last 3 games of the season.
Well lets see Orton was a backup in Denver, going to be a backup in Dallas. In Kansas City though we anointed him as the chosen one.

htismaqe 05-01-2012 08:23 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8584821)
For years Pioli has talked about drafting the right players - team captains, high character players, etc.

Yet last year, there was an obvious difference when the players took the field for Romeo than they did in Haley's last few games. If you've been drafting high character players, shouldn't those guys give the same effort no matter who is coach?

As far as schedule is concerned WHEN you play someone is just as important as WHO you play.
EXCELLENT point.

Fairplay 05-01-2012 08:38 AM
We are better then four other teams.

OnTheWarpath15 05-01-2012 12:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by FringeNC (Post 8584793)
Looking at the Sagarin ratings for the last two years which taken into account strength of schedule, margin of victory (defeat), and all that other stuff, it had us 24th in 2010 and 29th in 2011. It's pretty accurate in predicting the Vegas line, and overall a pretty solid ranking system.

You win in the NFL by having a decent defense, and the ability to move the ball through the air. We have a decent defense, but unless Daboll is able to get a hell of a lot more out of Cassel than Haley was, how are we going to consistently move the ball through the air?

With a good running attack, a good D, and only throwing occasionally, I can see us beating bad to average teams in close games, but we'll get blown out against teams again unless our passing attack improves.

Edit: Pioli essentially doubled down on Cassel, and is implicitly blaming Haley (and evidently our O-line) for our passing woes. If Cassel does not dramatically improve, Pioli shouldn't have a job next year.

Excellent post.

You have a link to those Sagarin ratings for each year? I'd be really interested in checking it out - for the Chiefs and other teams.

OnTheWarpath15 05-01-2012 12:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8584821)
For years Pioli has talked about drafting the right players - team captains, high character players, etc.

Yet last year, there was an obvious difference when the players took the field for Romeo than they did in Haley's last few games. If you've been drafting high character players, shouldn't those guys give the same effort no matter who is coach?

As far as schedule is concerned WHEN you play someone is just as important as WHO you play.
Another excellent post.

ChiefRocka 05-01-2012 12:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dayze (Post 8584789)
The fact that this defense is on it's way to being a really really good defense; and that we have a good stable of RBs....but a shit QB, reminds me of the line from Raising Arizona:


Eight hundred leaf tables and no
chairs?! You can't sell leaf tables
and no chairs! Chairs, you got a
dinette set! No chairs, you got dick!


Franchise QBs are Chairs.
Championships are sales
Chiefs are 800 chairless leaf tables.
"I don't know, they had Yodas and shit on them" -my fave

Pasta Little Brioni 05-01-2012 02:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8584821)
For years Pioli has talked about drafting the right players - team captains, high character players, etc.

Yet last year, there was an obvious difference when the players took the field for Romeo than they did in Haley's last few games. If you've been drafting high character players, shouldn't those guys give the same effort no matter who is coach?
As far as schedule is concerned WHEN you play someone is just as important as WHO you play.
You can't over look preperation when you go down that route.

The team's offseason approach was absolute garbage last year as well. Most unprepared Chiefs team to start a season I've ever seen.


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