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Bowser 03-25-2014 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 10515608)
That's just wrong, completely wrong.

He doesn't have to throw anything away.

He just has to 'mirror' the hand/foot placements of what he has learned. He has predominantly played left tackle in the past as well.

How did the front office fumble the Albert situation?

Albert wanted to be paid more than they thought he was worth.
Miami wasn't offering anymore than the Chiefs would get for a compensation pick this year.
Having a rookie start at RT is probably better than having him start at LT
we had an incredible young Oline last year that would been even more of any issue had the traded Albert.

you can make a argument that the front office handled it perfectly

"Ok Eric, don't forget what we taught you about form and leverage last year, just do it exactly the opposite of the way we taught you to do it last year." Sounds like he's going to have to forget a bunch of what they taught him last year.

The front office ****ed it up simply because they tagged Albert. If there was no real option or plan to keep him on long term, as obviously there wasn't now that he is in Miami, they should never have tagged him in the first place. If the plan was to take Fisher, then do it and put him at left tackle LAST year. I don't remember the Broncos putting Clady at RT to "break him in to the NFL".

The whole situation was just poorly executed, and it cost us a draft pick THIS year because they didn't think they were getting value for Albert in what Miami offered. Well surprise, Albert still ended up in Miami, and we are sitting here with our dicks in our hands. Not playing out to be one of Dorsey's better moments so far with us.

The Franchise 03-25-2014 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 10515608)
That's just wrong, completely wrong.

He doesn't have to throw anything away.

He just has to 'mirror' the hand/foot placements of what he has learned. He has predominantly played left tackle in the past as well.

How did the front office fumble the Albert situation?

Albert wanted to be paid more than they thought he was worth.
Miami wasn't offering anymore than the Chiefs would get for a compensation pick this year.
Having a rookie start at RT is probably better than having him start at LT
we had an incredible young Oline last year that would been even more of any issue had the traded Albert.

you can make a argument that the front office handled it perfectly

Then ****ing take it. We could have used the pick and Fisher could have used the PT.

dirk digler 03-25-2014 12:12 PM

I feel sorry for Alex. I hope he makes it past the first game

beach tribe 03-25-2014 12:13 PM

My biggest personnel goal for this team is for them to have Smith's replacement identified, and on the roster prior to 2015 season..
However long it takes him to take the reigns will depend on when Alex either falls off, or is just simply supplanted.
Regardless Smith himself should have a 4 year or so window to win a ring after 2015.
And if this team is successful at building through the draft, the new QB should be able to take over a team that can compete year in and year out.

Bowser 03-25-2014 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 10515642)
I feel sorry for Alex. I hope he makes it past the first game

Those Seahawk and 49er games. Lol.

beach tribe 03-25-2014 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 10515608)
That's just wrong, completely wrong.

He doesn't have to throw anything away.

He just has to 'mirror' the hand/foot placements of what he has learned. He has predominantly played left tackle in the past as well.

How did the front office fumble the Albert situation?

Albert wanted to be paid more than they thought he was worth.
Miami wasn't offering anymore than the Chiefs would get for a compensation pick this year.
Having a rookie start at RT is probably better than having him start at LT
we had an incredible young Oline last year that would been even more of any issue had the traded Albert.

you can make a argument that the front office handled it perfectly

I hadn't really thought out about the comp pick scenario.
Had we let Albert walk last off-season, we may not have received the comp pick.
So, yes, it could be argued that they handled it correctly.

Rausch 03-25-2014 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 10515642)
I feel sorry for Alex. I hope he makes it past the first game

It's a lot easier to scramble when the RT gets beat off the snap and you can actually see it happen...

duncan_idaho 03-25-2014 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by temper11 (Post 10515543)
I really don't understand this thinking.

First, I don't think Smith was a different QB in the second half of the season than he was in the first. I think the level of competition changed, the performance of his own defense changed, and so he therefore had to change the way he "managed the game".

I don't buy that at all. That's the "he was just holding back" argument. If you want to say he got more comfortable in the offense, fine. If you want to talk about him being more aggressive throwing the football, that's fine, too. But the "he was holding back because he didn't need to" thing? I will never buy that.

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Originally Posted by temper11 (Post 10515543)
Second. If Smith is 30, why does everyone think he only has 3 or 4 years? Romo and Brees are 34 and 35 now -are very much considered to be among the leaders in the NFL and neither show any signs of being done anytime soon.

Brady is 37 and still playing at an extremely high level. Manning at 38 is still considered the top in the league and people expect he may go 1 or 2 more seasons.

None of those guys rely as much on their legs as Alex Smith did to be effective. Smith also has had shoulder and concussion problems in the past. A flare up or reinjury of either could be a big problem for his long-term health.

The bigger issue, that I was trying to call out, is that with the exception of Justin Houston and MAYBE Eric Fisher (who hasn't proven he is even competent yet), all the rest of the "core" players are guys who are nearing the end of their prime/hitting the wrong side of 30.

It seems like a strange time to switch to a long-term build approach.

jd1020 03-25-2014 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 10515649)
I hadn't really thought out about the comp pick scenario.
Had we let Albert walk last off-season, we may not have received the comp pick.
So, yes, it could be argued that they handled it correctly.

Ya... no.

The Chiefs tagged Albert long before they drafted Fisher.

The Dolphins were rumored to be offering a 3rd.

Any 3rd > comp pick.

beach tribe 03-25-2014 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10515639)
Then ****ing take it. We could have used the pick and Fisher could have used the PT.

Why not hold out in hopes for a second with the consolation prize being Fisher having a year to adjust, put on weight, and have a year in the strength program before having to protect the blind side of the QB that you just traded two 2nds for.
Not to mention having the goal of winning as many games as possible to instill confidence within the organization and fan base in said QB.
Like I said, had Smith had a shitty season last year, we would be having a completely different discussion.

jd1020 03-25-2014 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 10515663)
We signed a lot of FAs last off-season. The comp pick might not come at all.

Are you stupid or something?

dirk digler 03-25-2014 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 10515647)
Those Seahawk and 49er games. Lol.

It's going to be brutal if he plays like he did last year.

Bowser 03-25-2014 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 10515660)
Why not hold out in hopes for a second with the consolation prize being Fisher having a year to adjust, put on weight, and have a year in the strength program before having to protect the blind side of the QB that you just traded two 2nds for.
Not to mention having the goal of winning as many games as possible to instill confidence within the organization and fan base in said QB.
Like I said, had Smith had a shitty season last year, we would be having a completely different discussion.

But we got nothing in return for a left tackle we franchise tagged last year. Dorsey ****ed this up.

htismaqe 03-25-2014 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 10515660)
Why not hold out in hopes for a second with the consolation prize being Fisher having a year to adjust, put on weight, and have a year in the strength program before having to protect the blind side of the QB that you just traded two 2nds for.
Not to mention having the goal of winning as many games as possible to instill confidence within the organization and fan base in said QB.
Like I said, had Smith had a shitty season last year, we would be having a completely different discussion.

No, we wouldn't.

There would still be a ton of people saying "just give them a chance. The jury is still out."

RunKC 03-25-2014 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10515639)
Then ****ing take it. We could have used the pick and Fisher could have used the PT.

But why? We're going to get a 3rd rd comp pick for Albert, same as what we would have gotten.

I think they wanted to dish him out, but him staying helped us a lot. I think that Albert showing him the ropes last year is gonna help Fisher this year.


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