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BossChief 01-17-2015 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by splatbass (Post 11275159)
Name one team with a bottom 5 OL that won a SB in the last 20 years.

The Steeler and Packer lines were garbage.

splatbass 01-17-2015 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 11275166)
How do you rate "bottom 5"?

How do you rate "world class OL"?

http://www.advancedfootballanalytics...ffensive-lines

Here is a list of OL rankings. We weren't bottom 5, but we were bad.

Still, where the Chiefs OL rated is irrelevant to my point. He wanted to know what team with a "world Class OL" won a SB with a non-franchise QB, so I asked him to name a team with a bottom 5 OL that won even with a franchise QB. It works both ways, which some of you guys fail to see. And THAT was my point, which clearly went right over your head. I hope you at least heard it go by.

cdcox 01-17-2015 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by splatbass (Post 11275182)
How do you rate "world class OL"?

http://www.advancedfootballanalytics...ffensive-lines

Here is a list of OL rankings. We weren't bottom 5, but we were bad.

Still, where the Chiefs OL rated is irrelevant to my point. He wanted to know what team with a "world Class OL" won a SB with a non-franchise QB, so I asked him to name a team with a bottom 5 OL that won even with a franchise QB. It works both ways, which some of you guys fail to see.

So you think non-franchise = bottom five? If you define it that way, I guess it does work both ways. If you define non-franchise as not top 10, then no it doesn't.

RunKC 01-17-2015 11:28 PM

Alex wasn't even Andy's first choice. It's clear as day Nick Foles was his guy. He didn't even get permission from the Eagles to acquire Foles.

And look at what the **** he did in his 2nd year. And he can make throws downfield.

Alex was the obvious choice in 2013. It appears that we are building the team up for said rookie QB to excel in early on.
Big Ben, Russell Wilson, Aaron Rodgers, Eli Manning and Tom Brady are perfect examples of this theory.

I fully expect us to draft a QB in the first 3 rounds in the next 3 drafts. Alex isn't getting any younger and he for damn sure won't be seeing $20.6 million dollars at age 34.

splatbass 01-17-2015 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 11275189)
So you think non-franchise = bottom five? If you define it that way, I guess it does work both ways. If you define non-franchise as not top 10, then no it doesn't.

That sound you just heard? My point going right over your head.

BossChief 01-17-2015 11:34 PM

This team would be pretty exciting if we had scored Nick Foles.

cdcox 01-17-2015 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by splatbass (Post 11275213)
That sound you just heard? My point going right over your head.

Top 5 QB and an average OL? No problem. You can win a championship.

Average QB and a top 5 OL? You're screwed.

O.city 01-17-2015 11:39 PM

I would have like Foles too.

ThaVirus 01-17-2015 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by splatbass (Post 11275182)
How do you rate "world class OL"?

http://www.advancedfootballanalytics...ffensive-lines

Here is a list of OL rankings. We weren't bottom 5, but we were bad.

Still, where the Chiefs OL rated is irrelevant to my point. He wanted to know what team with a "world Class OL" won a SB with a non-franchise QB, so I asked him to name a team with a bottom 5 OL that won even with a franchise QB. It works both ways, which some of you guys fail to see. And THAT was my point, which clearly went right over your head. I hope you at least heard it go by.


You're an idiot.

I asked because I was going to mention the line on the Packers most recent Super Bowl run.

BossChief 01-18-2015 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11275227)
I would have like Foles too.

Lots of extra money to put the pieces around him to a championship with.

Has a set of balls.

Can build around him and have a 10+ year window.

Is the type of player this fanbase would LOVE.

Reerun_KC 01-18-2015 07:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 11275036)
I don't want to hear anymore about how it's Andy Reid's fault Alex doesn't throw it downfield.

McNabb threw it down field all game every game. So did Vick and Foles.

Here are the amount of throws OVER 20 YARDS IN THE AIR, NOT YAC McNabb has each year.

04 71
05 38
06 47
07 43
08 62
09 48

Mike Vick threw 55 passes over 20 yards in the air in 2010 (in 12 games)
In 2011 he threw 50 in 13 games
He threw 42 in 2012 in 9 games

Then came Nick Foles who threw 27 passes over 20 yards in the air in 8 starts under Reid.

Alex Smith only threw 18 passes ALL YEAR that traveled 20 yards in the air or more.

18

I don't want to ever hear how that's Andy Reid's fault....or the offenses fault.

The offense is built to test defenses deep constantly.

Smith won't go down field because he has to many easy check downs in Reid's horizontal offense.

Never stop the Reidcuses.

Reerun_KC 01-18-2015 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 11275140)
The line above that describing the offense as outdated.

It's not the offense, it's the guy running it on the field.

No worries though. Were in agreement.

Whom Reid went all in with him But considering Reid won't change his offense to force the ball down field. It all falls back on Reid and his horizontal offense.

Reerun_KC 01-18-2015 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 11275204)
Alex wasn't even Andy's first choice. It's clear as day Nick Foles was his guy. He didn't even get permission from the Eagles to acquire Foles.

And look at what the **** he did in his 2nd year. And he can make throws downfield.

Alex was the obvious choice in 2013. It appears that we are building the team up for said rookie QB to excel in early on.
Big Ben, Russell Wilson, Aaron Rodgers, Eli Manning and Tom Brady are perfect examples of this theory.

I fully expect us to draft a QB in the first 3 rounds in the next 3 drafts. Alex isn't getting any younger and he for damn sure won't be seeing $20.6 million dollars at age 34.

He traded 2 2nd round picks for Smith. If he wasn't his guy then he is monumentally more stupid than I give home credit for.

You guys are killing your reidcuses defense with these rebuttals.

ILChief 01-18-2015 07:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 11275399)
Smith won't go down field because he has to many easy check downs in Reid's horizontal offense.

Never stop the Reidcuses.

Well you should have easy check downs. This isn't Madden where you send 4 wideouts deep on every play.

Reerun_KC 01-18-2015 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ILChief (Post 11275406)
Well you should have easy check downs. This isn't Madden where you send 4 wideouts deep on every play.

So down field mean strictly 9 routes?


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