LostLettermen.com?

Seems informative and credible.

Lol yeah I'd never heard of it. I'm interested to see what Rothstiens is though tonight.

Waaaay too high for KU unless they land a stud big man.

LOL They have Perry going pro this year. hahahahha

So they have KU at #3, without Perry Ellis.

BTW, clever incognito troll job there. I bet it took you a long long time to find a 2015-2016 preseason ranking that had ISU ahead of KU. Good find sir.

Trouble? Are you serious? They are almost a lock for #1 seed, they should be really really good. I know so many of you complain about 1 and dones, well we are going to be full of veteran guys next year.

Not at all. #3 is just about right. Everybody is going to get one year better, and Wayne Selden just had a horrible year. No chance he could possibly have as bad of a year, or shoot like 3% from 2 point FG's again next year.

BTW, they might have a defensive big man in Hunter Mickelson. He just doesn't play. In his limited minutes this season, he averaged MORE blocks per minute than Jeff Withey did his senior year.

Pretty sure you quoted the post that offered an explanation.

It's not the full explanation, but I'm not sure there IS one.

Of course, that also presupposes that the premise is actually true. Which it really isn't.

The turnovers is such an obvious one that it can't credibly be disputed by anyone. We have always failed - no exceptions not even 2008 - to value the ball under Bill. We see Russell Rob throwing it away 5x vs Bradley, Sherron 6x vs Davidson & 6x vs Mich State 09 & 5x vs UNI 2010.....Markieff 8x vs VCU 2011, EJ last five min vs Michigan 2013, and Frankie Mason 5x vs Witchta.


Those are just from memory, might be off on a couple but directionally I know it's the case. With Self all you have to do is wait for his teams to self-distruct with TO or bad shooting. And he in return hopes to grind you down by allowing you zero easy (or inside) buckets.


Works vs Big 12 teams. Fails vs legit national contenders

Wouldn't doubt some spoiled fan would start that site.

And just who would be better than Self?

You get a big man down low that can ball, watch out come tourney time next year. Wasn't there some top 5 7"0" footer that was going to commit to KU?

I don't know of anyone that wants Bill Self fired ... not one.

The issues DO exist though.

I've been saying many of the same thing for quite awhile now. All the homers got so mad about it that i just stopped bothering. There is no middle ground with them. If you acknowledge any issues then that must mean you hate Self and want him fired.

Bill Self is not flexible and is weak on offense. Those two issues make it more difficult to succeed once they reach the tourney.

Accept it, lower your expectations and move on :shrug:

Except I'm not sure that's the case. Every team has turnovers. How many did we force in certain years vs how many we gave up.

Experience is certainly something we haven't had much of lately:

'08: Champs
Fresh-1 Soph-2

'12: Runner up
Fresh-0 Soph-0

'14: Rd of 32
Fresh-6 Soph-2

'15: Rd of 32
Fresh-4 Soph-4

http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcspor...season-top-25/

That one has Kansas #6

I don't know...

It's a bad looking roster to my eyes.

You're hoping that a lot of those guys (Greene, Selden, Graham, Lucas, Mykailiuk) will step up on a consistent basis, and, at least to me, they have not done it yet.

Real lack of height and length for a Bill Self recruited team. They struggled with that this past season and it's only going to be worse next year.

The title was decided the day Jones & Oak committed to Dook