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Sandy Vagina 07-23-2015 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 11613802)
2014:

Moncrief - 444 yards and 3 TDs
Nicks - 405 yards and 4 TDs
Wayne - 779 yards and 2 TDs

And a top 10 WR named T.Y. Hilton is missing from this because? He's pretty outstanding. You should check him out. :thumb:

dls6501 07-23-2015 03:36 PM

TY Hilton is not a top 10 WR.

ThaVirus 07-23-2015 03:38 PM

That what I'm talking about. You'll try and rationalize your beliefs by saying just about anything.

TY Hilton a top 10 WR? Reggie Wayne's 53 year old corpse? Nicks? Really?

Pasta Little Brioni 07-23-2015 03:39 PM

Hilton ROFL

chiefzilla1501 07-23-2015 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks (Post 11613814)
And a top 10 WR named T.Y. Hilton is missing from this because? He's pretty outstanding. You should check him out. :thumb:

These guys are often top 10 WRs because you have top notch QBs throwing to them. Many of them are not even close to top 10 behind a bad QB. Different from a guy like AJ Green who can make a bad QB look good.

BigCatDaddy 07-23-2015 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by dls6501 (Post 11613823)
TY Hilton is not a top 10 WR.

He doesn't comprehend that QBs can actually make WRs look better than what they are

Pasta Little Brioni 07-23-2015 03:40 PM

QBs make receivers not the other way around. Look at the guys getting propped up.in Pile High.

ThaVirus 07-23-2015 03:41 PM

Philip Rivers, Carson Palmer, Ryan Tannehill, and Cam Newton could all arguable fit the bill in 2014.

Russell Wilson fit the bill at certain points through the 2014 season as well.

Tom Brady could fit it at several different points in his career.

Andrew Luck could fit the bill in 2012 and 2013, arguably 2014 as well although their offensive line seemed to get better last season.

ThaVirus 07-23-2015 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 11613832)
These guys are often top 10 WRs because you have top notch QBs throwing to them. Many of them are not even close to top 10 behind a bad QB. Different from a guy like AJ Green who can make a bad QB look good.



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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 11613834)
He doesn't comprehend that QBs can actually make WRs look better than what they are


Something else that these 9ers trolls are completely oblivious to.

Crabtree, Bowe, Manningham, Moss, Avery, Brandon Lloyd? All just a bunch of lazy ****s with Alex throwing them the ball.

Convenient :hmmm:

chiefzilla1501 07-23-2015 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks (Post 11613316)
.. and you still can't read, it seems. Rodgers had consistent scheme and excellent WRs on his side. Manning has excellent weapons also. Big Ben has had some very good weapons at his disposal as well. Most if not all the QBs you mention are regarded as elite QBs.. being compared to Alex, who no one claims is elite.

You say I can't read. But gloss over that I said Rodgers won a Super Bowl with his entire WR corps dinged up. He's usually had a bad OL. Manning has had many years with really dinged up WRs and OL. His final years in Indy, his supporting cast was atrocious and his OL was one of the worst in the league. You keep commenting about how great these OLs and WRs are... did you ever stop to think that these WRs are racking up huge seasons because they're playing with an elite QB? How good was Santonio outside of Pittsburgh? Has Wallace looked anything close to a true #1? Did you see how well Denver's dinged up OL played against KC 2 years ago? Because Peyton specifically designed an offense to get rid of the ball lightning fast.

I agree that it's unfair to compare him to the elites. But you asked what QB and the elite / almost elites have been around long enough to do well no matter what the supporting cast.

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As for Brees, he holds the same record as Alex as of late.. 10-12. Why is Brees not overcoming his team deficiencies? Where are the SB rings for these guys lately?
Umm... Maybe because he's 36? He did win a playoff game just 2 years ago.

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You guys can think what you want of the "49ers" fans here.. you can slurp up whatever random crap guys like Sorter throw out there, but you still can not reasonably debate what it is that I am stating.

You can't seem to grasp the simple conclusion that good/great QBs can overcome a deficient OL or WR group alone... but not combined... and yet you expect Alex to? That's just going full potato.
Alex Smith had an absolute shit OL and WR group at the end of 2013. Even worse in the Colts playoff game. As I've said over and over, he problem is in Alex's head. He's choosing to manage games instead of attacking. And when he manages games, he makes his OL and WRs worse.

Sandy Vagina 07-23-2015 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball (Post 11613835)
QBs make receivers not the other way around. Look at the guys getting propped up.in Pile High.

So why then is a QB like Brees getting a 1st rd WR in Cooks? Why does Rodgers get a 2nd rd WR in Adams and Jordy? Why pay Randall Cobb 10 mil per? Why is Brady getting 2nd rd WR Dobson? Matty Ice needs his team to move up for Julio Jones in the top 10? Why does Denver need to bring in Emmanuel Sanders? Why retain Demaryius Thomas at such high cost? Can Romo not live without Dez, for them to pay him that much? Why pay Antonio Brown an average of 8 mil per?

The questions go on. I mean, if these QBs can make any receiver look good... how can they justify these resources?

... and name 15 WRs better than Hilton, please.

Mother****erJones 07-23-2015 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane (Post 11613230)
They have totally taken my enjoyment of watching the game of football away from me. I wish he'd get caught raping a midget tree sloth so we could move on. The excuse crap is unbelievable. This team is now without excuses, if Alex even fails a little its 100% on him.

Absolutely. However, 9-7 is so much better than 2-14. Since we get ****ed and have an OT #1 anyways.

chiefzilla1501 07-23-2015 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks (Post 11613857)
So why then is a QB like Brees getting a 1st rd WR in Cooks? Why does Rodgers get a 2nd rd WR in Adams and Jordy? Why pay Randall Cobb 10 mil per? Why is Brady getting 2nd rd WR Dobson? Matty Ice needs his team to move up for Julio Jones in the top 10? Why does Denver need to bring in Emmanuel Sanders? Why retain Demaryius Thomas at such high cost? Can Romo not live without Dez, for them to pay him that much? Why pay Antonio Brown an average of 8 mil per?

The questions go on. I mean, if these QBs can make any receiver look good... how can they justify these resources?

... and name 15 WRs better than Hilton, please.

Because these teams have to win by scoring a bazillion points. The Chiefs are just trying to score 20.

jd1020 07-23-2015 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks (Post 11613857)
So why then is a QB like Brees getting a 1st rd WR in Cooks? Why does Rodgers get a 2nd rd WR in Adams and Jordy? Why pay Randall Cobb 10 mil per? Why is Brady getting 2nd rd WR Dobson? Matty Ice needs his team to move up for Julio Jones in the top 10? Why does Denver need to bring in Emmanuel Sanders? Why retain Demaryius Thomas at such high cost? Can Romo not live without Dez, for them to pay him that much? Why pay Antonio Brown an average of 8 mil per?

The questions go on. I mean, if these QBs can make any receiver look good... how can they justify these resources?

... and name 15 WRs better than Hilton, please.

Why do all of those guys succeed? How come none of them Baldwin?

ThaVirus 07-23-2015 03:56 PM

"TY Hilton is a top 10 receiver"

"No he isn't"

"Name 15 receivers better than Hilton then"


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