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jd1020 03-07-2024 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 17430795)
Chris was never going to sign before hitting FA.

Veach will try to get him back, but Chris will need to show that he’s actually willing to leave and convince teams he’s legitimately looking for a deal to sign with them and that they aren’t being used to get a better deal from KC.

Sneed will get traded for a 2 and a 4 and we will get CJ95 re-signed for 5/150. Possibly less aav, but I think that’s the basic outline that will be sold as “I was offered more by more than one team, but I want to finish what we started!” Kinda thing.

We should also get at least 1 5th round comp from last offseason…and possibly 2.

5/150? Lolwut? At 30 years old? JFC. Not even Aaron Donald got close to that. They would have already extended Sneed if those are the kind of numbers Jones is asking for.

duncan_idaho 03-07-2024 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 17430817)
5/150? Lolwut? At 30 years old? JFC. Not even Aaron Donald got close to that. They would have already extended Sneed if those are the kind of numbers Jones is asking for.


Not all 5/150 contracts are created equal.

Presumably, you’d be expecting that to be a 2- or 3-year deal in reality, with a couple of funny money years to prorate the signing bonus and make the AAV pretty. It could essentially be a 3/90 deal with only $80M hitting the cap in years 1-3.

jd1020 03-07-2024 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 17430821)
Not all 5/150 contracts are created equal.

Presumably, you’d be expecting that to be a 2- or 3-year deal in reality, with a couple of funny money years to prorate the signing bonus and make the AAV pretty. It could essentially be a 3/90 deal with only $80M hitting the cap in years 1-3.

Or we could not try and play mental gymnastics of "Well... 5/150 could actually mean..."

Even Aaron Donalds contract was structured as a 5 year deal, only the final 2 years automatically void. So it's 3/95. We could just say the Chiefs will extend CJ at 3/85 like normal people, without trying to infer something.

Urc Burry 03-07-2024 09:13 AM

Listening to the athletic football show ..

Robert Mays asked Russini what it would take to land Sneed.. “A 1st for sure”


Maybe it’s bullshit.. but she’s pretty plugged in

Direckshun 03-07-2024 09:27 AM

Honestly, a five year deal would make the most sense for Jones and the Chiefs both.

Jones gets his $30m AAV and the Chiefs can exercise flexibility with his contract. It'll likely be a 2-3 year deal, and his cap hit can be low for the first couple of years while Jones rakes it in in actual cash.

You'll have an ugly cap hit in, like Year 4. But the Chiefs can manage that.

Gravedigger 03-07-2024 09:31 AM

Mock drafts have Quinyon Mitchell going around 15 to the Colts, I'm just still surprised that Sneed isn't worth a first. You're telling me a young guy from Toledo is more valuable than Sneed? Negatives is the contract, and his knee, but you get what you pay for and if you give me the option of a shutdown corner in his prime, the instincts he has, the experience of being a Super Bowl winner on a historic defense and the strength he would give to your secondary. That knee better be the only reason because I could sell him for a first to another team and Veach should be able to secure a 28 - 45 pick for him easy.

O.city 03-07-2024 09:34 AM

If Mitchell is 80% of Sneed on that rookie deal, he's more valuable.

It's all about the $ of the draft pick guys.

tredadda 03-07-2024 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Gravedigger (Post 17430952)
Mock drafts have Quinyon Mitchell going around 15 to the Colts, I'm just still surprised that Sneed isn't worth a first. You're telling me a young guy from Toledo is more valuable than Sneed? Negatives is the contract, and his knee, but you get what you pay for and if you give me the option of a shutdown corner in his prime, the instincts he has, the experience of being a Super Bowl winner on a historic defense and the strength he would give to your secondary. That knee better be the only reason because I could sell him for a first to another team and Veach should be able to secure a 28 - 45 pick for him easy.

He’s more valuable because he will cost far less than Sneed and if he pans out they will have him for 5-6 years at least (5th year option and tag). Sneed is elite, but elite players looking at contract #2 are very expensive.

Gravedigger 03-07-2024 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17430954)
If Mitchell is 80% of Sneed on that rookie deal, he's more valuable.

It's all about the $ of the draft pick guys.

And if he's Kaiir Elam? I agree with your point, and it's how we do business, but the counter to that argument is are you willing to bet your first round pick this year on that instead of a proven commodity like Sneed? There's dumb teams everywhere that think they're smarter than they are, surely Veach can find the weak spot in the armor.

Jerm 03-07-2024 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Gravedigger (Post 17430960)
And if he's Kaiir Elam? I agree with your point, and it's how we do business, but the counter to that argument is are you willing to bet your first round pick this year on that instead of a proven commodity like Sneed? There's dumb teams everywhere that think they're smarter than they are, surely Veach can find the weak spot in the armor.

And if Sneed blows his knee out in the first TC practice? Like we can all do the what if game...

You have to trust your scouts and the people you employ at some point to get it right.

O.city 03-07-2024 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Gravedigger (Post 17430960)
And if he's Kaiir Elam? I agree with your point, and it's how we do business, but the counter to that argument is are you willing to bet your first round pick this year on that instead of a proven commodity like Sneed? There's dumb teams everywhere that think they're smarter than they are, surely Veach can find the weak spot in the armor.

Sure, but if you're at 15, Sneed ain't likely taking you over teh top and that's a spot you could legit get a blue chip prospect.

Rausch 03-07-2024 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Urc Burry (Post 17430933)
Listening to the athletic football show ..

Robert Mays asked Russini what it would take to land Sneed.. “A 1st for sure”


Maybe it’s bullshit.. but she’s pretty plugged in

She's known for both making shit up and saying nonsense for entertainment value.

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 03-07-2024 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Jerm (Post 17430962)
And if Sneed blows his knee out in the first TC practice? Like we can all do the what if game...

You have to trust your scouts and the people you employ at some point to get it right.

Sneed hasn’t had knee problems since his rookie year… can we all stop with this knee bullshit. He’s played 90% or more of the defensive snaps every year except his rookie year

ThyKingdomCome15 03-07-2024 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Urc Burry (Post 17430933)
Listening to the athletic football show ..

Robert Mays asked Russini what it would take to land Sneed.. “A 1st for sure”


Maybe it’s bullshit.. but she’s pretty plugged in

That's awesome but I'll believe it when I see it.

Gravedigger 03-07-2024 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE! (Post 17430982)
Sneed hasn’t had knee problems since his rookie year… can we all stop with this knee bullshit. He’s played 90% or more of the defensive snaps every year except his rookie year

Yep have him run through medical if you wish, have your guys look at him and his history.

Games Played:

2020 - 9
2021 - 15
2022 - 17
2023 - 16

Seems pretty reliable to me.


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