So after 4 horrible possessions that all end in punts, he has a nice drive to finish the half and now everyone thinks he is the answer.

Quite comical.

What are you talking about. im always here......

I'm saying he wasn't worth a #1 or #2 pick.....it's pretty evident that we weren't the only team to think that.

You are the one making excuses - for Geno. I haven't made any excuses for Alex Smith. :facepalm:

Intellectual dishonesty? Sounds like you agree with me LMAO

Geno Smith is a rookie, is he not? He's on a shitty team, is he not? He's raw and not ready, is he not? He has a shit coach, does he not? That's an almost EXACT comparison to Alex Smith

And no, who could possibly give a shit about 49ers history during their awful Allen/Singletary years? Your version of "setting the record straight" is a lot of bargaining for the middle of the two ends. It doesn't really work against the notion that Alex Smith was benched for two mediocre QBs. And it's a huge waste of time for everybody.

You know, you could learn a thing or two about fitting in from Maverick. Since the huge fail thread, he's been able to talk about a wide variety of topics and nearly all things Chiefs-related. And when he does talk Alex Smith, he doesn't post long-winded and pointless historical narratives about the ****ing 49ers.

That's what we're trying to get through you 49er fans' ****ing skulls. We're just as knowledgeable about football as you guys, and we can make judgements about players for our goddamned selves. We don't need dipshits like you to lead us by the hand and orientate us to being a fan of a team QBed by Alex Smith. We don't need you talking about your 49er garbage in an effort to try and sound smart. Nobody cares.

Just shut the **** up or quit being an incorrigible ****tard, please.

Alexuses

So 1 SB appearance and win gets you to "Elite" and 2 SB wins gets you "near elite"?

John Elway was no where near Elite when he won his SB's.

Aikman was not Elite, he was on a great ****ing team for like 6 years solid.

You are out of your goddamned mind.

YES! Why would fans of team that refuse to pull their heads out of their asses want to try something new?!??!

WTF ARE WE THINKING?!?!?
:facepalm:

You will.

Geno Smith should have went 1.1 but he needs time to grow and a team around him so he can become a less than average QB.

Its awesome watching your dumb ass go down in flames. You are an idiot and your golden boy sucks.

Yes, and the people who have decided Alex Smith is going to be a failure in KC (you are one) are doing the same thing, making you a giant hypocrite.

One preseason game? You want to put your money where your mouth is on a two-season window, Sir ****lestick?

And do keep in mind how CONTINUALLY WRONG you are on pretty much everything Chiefs-related, yes.

Depends on how you define "failure". For a dumbass True Fan, success in measured in Wild Card ass-whippings.

The Jets are a complete mess. But separate of that I haven't seen anything from Geno Smith yet that indicates he can QB a winning team in the NFL.

LMAO not sure what you are talking about here but the fact is you couldn't guess what color your own eyes are and get it right.

LMAO

Geno will never have to worry about it since he will never reach a wildcard playoff berth.

ehhhhh.......

I agree with you that his potential is limitless.

But, they have to have an enema in that organization first.

There are going to be a SHIT ton of changes, and that's not even the worst that is yet to come. They could be so bad this next season, they could get the first pick in the draft, it is going to take a few years for Geno to get stability around him to progress. This is going to be a slow one, and Im not sure if his potential is ever going to be realized in New York. He may have to go the Drew Brees route.

And Axl will never have to worry about leading his team to win one either.

Again. Btw, funny you should say that. I uttered those exact words you just did about Geno Smith, when another number 7 played his first preseason.

Just saying.


9/19 117 yards 6.2 avg 0 tds, 2 picks 4 sacks 27.6 rating. New Orleans

in the third tune up game of that preseason

C. Kaepernick 6/16 52 3.3 0 1 1-6 20.8 vs the Texans.

The point is, reading anything into a rookies preseason games especially in a tune up game, against a very good defense while qbing a team that is awful offensively, is silly at best.

One is a rookie; one is not, though many want to treat him as if he is.

The safety that Geno took yesterday was just ****ing atrocious, however. Rookie or not, that simply cannot happen. Ever.

Geno's potential isn't limitless. He needs a good bit of work mechanically and there are lots of ? Marks about his mentality at this point

As I said, it's a shit-situation. But so what. If he rises above it, he is The Man.

You're stupidity knows no bounds.

You should be embarrassed but you're too ****ing brain dead.

Great rebuttal.

Eat **** pie.

Already done more than that in his career dumbass.

The more you hate the more I win. I dont want the likes of your dumbass rooting for Alex Smith. I really don't.

Does Gochiefs just bitch like a women about Alex all day?

Yeah, BEFORE he became scrambled ****ing eggs, you half a dumbshit.

And don't worry; I will never cheer for a ****ing retread QB on this team.

it would be hard for almost anyone to rise about the shit that is on that team. Not only do you have a dead man walking HC, your OC was the head coach of an 0-16 lions team, and has flamed out every time he has left the side of Andy Reid.

There is no talent on offense. Its bad.

Exactly.

I've provided a lifetime of rebuttals to your ignorant ass but you clearly cannot read.

There isn't a ****ing GM alive that would takea player at 1.1 that isn't NFL Ready. Not one, and yet you continue to suggest that it should have happened, which just further illustrates your stupidity.

People get pissed when second and third round guys don't contribute immediately yet you want a team to take a guy at 1.1 knowing full well that he will not play in year one and playing in year two is a gamble?

Pure lunacy from a known lunatic.

Chiefs Way = Awesome Winning Power.

That doesn't excuse poor reads and stepping out of the end zone.

Rex called Geno "brutal" after practice recently.

Does that sound like an NFL ready rookie starter?

Brilliant, as usual.

all day, every day... he has minions that do so as well.. :)

And truthful!

I like your posts and think Sweet Pussy Hate is a complete tard, BUT... sorry on this one. SF selected Alex Smith 1.1 and in no ****ing way can there ever be a convincing argument that he was NFL ready. :huh:

Hey look Dane; you have a new fan! The smartest one in the Axl taint-licking crew as well!

I rest my case.

LMAO

I'm really not that ****ed up. I like the internet a bit too much but that's the limit of my strangeness.

Yeah, because a couple of preseason games in a rookie year is the same as eight years in the league...
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Eli's inconsistency keeps him from being elite. Dilfer won a super bowl but Marino and Tarkenton did not. Which ones were elite?

As a 49ers fan, it thrills me to hear Aikman was not elite. Please prove it.

Elite is just the top 3-4 players at any given time. Right now that is Brady, Manning, Rodgers & Brees.

So who were the top 4 QBs of the 1990s?

I have it as...

Elite QBs of the 1990s
Steve Young
Brett Favre
Troy Aikman
John Elway


If you don't think Aikman or Elway were elite QBs, then who do you think replaces them on this list?

Dan Marino was past his prime by the early/mid 90s. Jim Kelly was not better than Troy Aikman.


For grins, here is the NFL's top 100 players of all time.

http://top100.nfl.com/all-time-100

It's 2013, not 2005.

I've used that qualifier a ****ing million times and he knows it.

Case? Yeah, mental case.

About what, you whack job? That Geno Smith should have been selected at 1.1?

Are you clinically insane?

Oh.. well okay then. :)

I'd take Jim Kelly and Dan Marino everyday of the week before Aikman.

Once Aikman's team fell apart around him, he was incapable of putting them on his back and leading them anywhere. He was very accurate but his success was due to coaching, scheme and the players around him.

He was unable to get players to elevate their game.

Refreshing to see an Alex detractor firmly sticking to his guns after a "good Alex" week.

The way the Alex see-saw usually works is, the supporters come out and gloat after the good weeks, and the detractors come out and bash after the bad weeks.

Alex is assured to have both, so you will see-saw with this back and forth all season.

At least you are standing firm, so you will at least be consistent after all the "bad Alex" weeks and nobody can accuse you of waffling.

Yeah, I've seen this show before. This is just the sequel.

Aikman not elite? You are a ****ing idiot.

OK, I can buy that Marino was still elite over Aikman during the early 1990s. Aikman was still "near elite".

By posting the list of QBs for the past 20 years, I was trying to show that only 2 of 20 super bowls were won with game managers, and that 18 of them were won with QBs who were elite (top 4) or nearly so (top 6).

I think I proved that point.

Without a top flight QB, your chances of winning the super bowl is very slim. Alex is a bottom half QB. That was always the point of that post I made. You aren't going to win a super bowl with a game manager. It isn't going to happen. That was the point.

People said the same thing about Rich Gannon in Minnesota. Just saying...

The greater point I was a making was that super bowl winners had elite QBs or nearly elite QBs. Game managers don't get it done. Whether Aikman was elite (top 4) or just nearly elite (top 6-8) doesn't really matter.

The greater point is that 15th-20th ranked QBs don't win super bowls and Alex is a 15th-20th ranked QB.

16 of the past 20 super bowl victors had either an elite QB or one nearly elite. That is the point.

Like Alex Smith you mean?

That's what we're comparing right now. Is Alex Smith a less than average QB?

Has anyone ever researched these SB winning QBs, and how consistent their schemes/coaching has been? Or how stacked each team was at the time of their SB win?

I haven't... too lazy.. but it might be a good exercise. I know Drew Brees and Sean Peyton clicked right away.. but how bout most others?

I think most QBs would need consistent scheme with competent coaches to reach their ceilings..

I don't know... just yapping..

Anything is possible. Good luck with that.

Rich Gannon's weakness was that he was a died-in-the-wool perfectionist. He was very hard on himself.

Alex's weakness is that he is risk averse, which prevents him from attacking and going for the jugular.

I don't see Alex overcoming that cautious nature that prevents him generally from taking the appropriate risk for the appropriate reward at the critical time. If Andy can fix that, there is nothing else in his mental and physical skill sets from preventing Alex from being a top 10 QB.

I've long said that if Alex Smith had Aaron Rodgers's attacking mindset and appetite for the appropriate risk at the critical moment, then Alex would be a top 10 QB.

Caution is the key weakness keeping Alex in the middle tier of all NFL QBs. If he can be fixed to not be so risk averse, then you have your top 10 QB.

Frankly, I don't believe this can ever be fixed and it is not coach-able.

Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer clicked instantly. So we can do it, too!

I'll admit Geno's game wasn't good. But those are growing pains. And the game will slow down for him eventually then we'll see how he does.

All super bowl wining teams have been "stacked". No super bowl winning team has been unbalanced on offense and defense. It used to be that defense was the greater part. Now offense is the greater part. But all Super Bowl winning teams have been "stacked".

You can't get through the playoffs with weaknesses in any aspect of your team. Not possible.

No one can sit here and say it was good.

But people are glossing over the positives, like the fact he led two TD drives. With his arm.

Keep telling yourself that. Let me know if the 49ers win two Super Bowls in four years in your lifetime.

"I just feel like we (were) the better team. They got away with one today. We showed we were the better team. It was just a couple plays here, a couple plays there.
-- Niners running back Frank Gore on San Francisco's Super Bowl XLVII loss


"I was so hurt, knowing we were the better team. I had a chance to go to the Pro Bowl and I couldn’t even go because I was so hurt. Knowing that we were the better team but we didn’t finish."
-- Niners running back Frank Gore on San Francisco's NFC Championship loss to the New York Giants


"Who's got it better than us?" Noooooo......"

Highly debatable.

Solid game manager. Those Cowboys teams were loaded.

Honestly, I have no clue what your point is. None.

My point is that this year's super bowl winner will come from the ranks of teams with elite/near elite QBs. No team with a game manager will be winning the super bowl this year.

My Chiefs related point is that Alex will never be on a super bowl winning team. He is not elite or near elite and he never will be.

I have no clue what your point was.

[QUOTE=Kaepernick;9914461]Honestly, I have no clue what your point was. None.

My point was that this year's super bowl winner will come from the ranks of teams with elite/near elite QBs. No team with a game manager will be winning the super bowl this eyar.

I have no clue what your point was.[/QUOTE]

Stupid can't be helped, Kaepernick.

Keep building your hopes on a running quarterback - As fine china they break.

History has shown that you can pretty much count on those running quarterbacks to miss games with injuries.

Eli Manning wasn't NFL ready week one or pretty much year one. I remember him throwing 4 INTs against the Vikes that year. The difference is that Eli had solid foundation and support system. Geno may not have that with Rex Ryan as HC and also may have a mental breakdown before it's all over. Geno Smith still has a chance to get things going in the right direction. I'm not worried if he does or not, it is entertaining to watch Rex Ryan handle this and watch him make a fool out of himself on stage. If Geno bust then good the Jets deserve him. If Geno Smith doesn't bust he had the odds against him.

Guess Len Dawson wasn't elite then.

Your absolutes really say a lot about why you are here. To hate a former player of your team so much as to follow him to the forum that he's traded to just to talk shit absolutes about him? Man.. you got the hate bad for that.

He hates him but you're gay for him. Which one is worse?

Honestly, I have the utmost respect for Chiefs' fans at CP for putting up with some of these moronic 49ers fans - not all, but the ones that keep the Oxycontin rolling.

You have more patience than most!

I am not, dude. I respect Alex the person and player... but I don't like males in that way. :)

He had one season in his career with more than 20 touchdowns. I think most agree that he was a very great game manager.

Aikman is Trent Green level talent on a better overall team.

Hell Aikman never put up the numbers Green did in his prime.

According to ESPN, Jets looking to bring in vets John Beck and Matt Lienert. ROFL

Who happened to make elite throws almost every game.

And to be honest with you, outside Irvin, he did not have great receivers. Aikman made Alvin Harper and Jay Novacek.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/5bd990401...nuivo1_500.gif

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view8/471...kman-gif-o.gif

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Harper was a solid #2, but Novacek was a very good TE in his own right. Plus, that OL?

Aikman had a better arm and a much better deep ball than Green ever did.

If I am designing an NFL QB in a genetics lab, I just clone Troy Aikman.

Concussions included?

Remember the leagues new stance on those.

I'm going on a limb to guess that the Hall of Fame committee disagrees with you.

Or are you saying there are other great game managers in the NFL Hall of Fame with Aikman?

Aikman held or tied 47 Dallas passing records.

3 time All Pro.

Super Bowl XXVII MVP.

In just Aikman's 52nd game, he reached the 10,000-yard passing mark, and his 302 completions were second most in team history.

Passed for 4 touch downs in Super Bowl XXVII.

Passed for 337 years in the 1994 Divisional playoff game, had 3 100 yard receivers and completed the longest passing play from scrimmage in a playoff game to date, 94 yards.

You can only hope Alex becomes such a game manager. There is no doubting that Aikman had an A+ supporting cast, which is why he only was SB MVP in 1 of 3 super bowls. But a game manager?

You are evil for making a me defend Aikman. I hate Aikman and the Cowboys and I always will.

The league did not have the QB protection rules in place when Aikman got scrambled.

Troy Aikman was a ****ing insane talent AND he had great mental makeup, too. The guy was an incredible leader. Smart as a whip. It's not a surprise he's one of the best broadcasters ever.

Today we have children like Cam Newton at QB. Yay!

Yes, I'm gay for Troy. Deal with it.

Yeah Aikman ****ed Steve Young out of at least 2 more Super Bowls.

Biggest strength by far. While those Cowboys teams were talented, they were a bunch of **** ups. Aikman was the man on that team.