How are you supposed to get more compensation than the market is offering?

Blue chippers hit the market, you pay a ****load for them. It's the way it is.

So we're taking money we had earmarked for a guy who got into trouble with domestic violence and giving it to a guy with a history of domestic violence? Isn't this really REALLY REALLY ****ing stupid or am I just hopped up on crazy pills here?

I'm guessing they will see how the legal stuff plays out, if he's clear they tag him. If he'll play under the tag then great, let him go after 2020 season. If he won't, then tag & trade him next offseason.

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Um... no, that just makes you no worse off than you were before.

I’d go some combination of Bunting/Layne/Mullen/Love/Williams and Samuel/Campbell/Boykin/Hardman/Hall

Except when it happens so many times, that where there's smoke there's fire.

Wut? You speak as if you know this to be fact when you have zero way of knowing whether we could have gotten more or given less for any player.

Bunting and Boykin out of those.

Yeah maybe but I’d sure like to think that they know Hill is in the clear with law enforcement at this point. I mean can you imagine the backlash they’d face if Hill winds up getting released in the next few weeks over this deal and they have to answer questions about why they would trade for Clark in the midst of that whole process?

I think they probably know at this point that he’s at least free of charges, but an NFL suspension could be another story...

The only part I’m not locked down on is how much Veach views safety as a need in the early rounds. Yeah you can bring up Earl Thomas but I still think that was Veach seeing that he could get a top FS on a one year deal and he couldn’t pass that up.

There's no "smoke" but in your imagination.

Again, if the market bears $10m it doesn't make you a shrewd negotiator to buy at $20m when $11m is all you need. I get that nobody knows what that actual market value is. But we're not seriously this Naive to think a lot of our deals over 2 years didn't seem like a blatant overpay or the trades we made felt like blatant undercompensation.

The chiefs social media hasn’t had hill in anything since March 1st. He’s not in any of their workout videos or anything
Seems weird

From Nate Taylor's article.

I spotted him in a picture they posted on Monday in the weight room

I think Hill is a bad bet, at this point. He's already had his second chance.

You’re an idiot dude. If Veach could’ve gotten more, he would have. It’s really that simple.

I must have missed it


Good deal

Suspended for not being a good dad? Half the NFL would be out of a job.

The people whining about Clark's past in college probably don't even watch football and now are somehow triggered. They should just shut the **** up and mind their own affairs.

So it looks like corner wide receiver and tight end in the first 3 picks

You never know man.

Elliott got suspended without ever being charged of anything..

Frank Clark replaces one of the picks. He is young and a potential top 5 edge during his entire career with the Chiefs unless he screws up off the field.
Pick at 29, sure maybe Greedy Williams falls, and people get excited because hey we love the draft and talking about it. At the of the day though, Greedy feel for a reason and it has to do with his play. He likely has plenty of struggles his first year. There are very few CB that come in and make a big impact the first year and those that do are usually top 10 picks. Its a tough position to translate from college to pro in 1 year.
Maybe you get the 3rd or 4th highest rank DE in the draft. Seems the Chiefs and several other teams don't believe that would be a guy that makes a big impact. Even a guy that gets 5-7 sacks but struggles some against the run wouldn't even start.
Don't forget it is hard to make a scheme change on defense in a year. The chiefs needed to address the Line first and most important to making the change. They needed a big time pass rusher, they needed depth and they needed it quickly. A great Dline will help your linebackers and secondary. If you don't win in the trenches it doesn't matter how good your secondary is.
In Clark you get a proven guy, who is one of only 7 players to have 9+ sacks over the past 3 seasons. he is good against the run. Brings a attitude to the field that the chiefs defense badly needed. I have no problem with Clark basically being a 29th pick. I have no problem with the money. People seem to forget we have been paying big bucks to Berry, Houston, LDT, Fisher. You can afford several high payed guys, the difference this time around is it looks like the money will be going to better players.
Watkins gone after this year and pretty sure it's only like 2m to cut Fisher after this year.
You still have 3 picks in the top 100 this year.
You basically gave up 1 pick, in the later portion of the second round next year. Maybe you would have hit a solid player, maybe a okay guy, maybe a guy that doesn't pan out. Never know, but it's not the end of the world. They still have plenty of picks and could always add more.
I have want to go to a 4-3 for a long time. I had concern over doing it now though given the roster and the time it takes to get the right guys. A risky move when you are in a win now mode. This trade as changed that concern. I feel a lot more confident in that than had we had to rely on a rookie.

I'd trade Seattle Hill for Wagner right now straight up.

I’d say almost certainly

Justin Layne
Deebo Samuel
Jace Sternberger or Connor McGovern

Get me those 3 and holy shit.

According to Terez our starting LBs are Wilson/Ragland/Hitchens. LB should be the #1 priority.

LB, WR, CB

Blake Cashman in the 3rd.

This is not the draft to need a LB.

And certain posters are complaining about the trade on here. Veech got rid of a guy that cost us a SB appearance and added a potential Defensive MVP.

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I know.

That’s base though. I think Attouchu, Hitchens and DOD will be our subpackage which we will be in at least 70% of the time.

I wouldn't force it at LB.

If they take Julian Love....I’m ****ed. I’ll never hear the end of the Russell comparisons.

Watkins
Hitchens
No Earl Thomas trade (rumor that we also sought other DB trades last year too)
Underwhelming trade comp for Ford
Underwhelming comp for Peters
No comp at all for houston
Huge trade comp for frank clark
Tons of credible rumors of us desperately shopping for trades at spring meetings.

Cmon, are you really going to say that all these deals paint a picture of shrewd negotiation? I know many will make excuses for each of these transactions individually. But how many individual excuses can you make without acknowledging a pattern?

This is going to be one of those threads where people repeat over and over their defense or distaste for the trade. Whats done is done move on this train ain't stopping till the parade.

One positive is that Clark plays hard as ****, all the time. He's also physical as shit. He's not a "play around a guy" type of player.

He's a dog.

We needed dogs.

Cmon... the market is what the market is. Ford was not a good all around player, Peters was a **** stain and teams new it, Houston is a shell of his former self.

So you wanted to pay Houston 21 million this year when, after being released, he got less than 15 mil? You can't force a player to take a pay cut, you pay him or you don't. No one else was willing to pay him that either so he was released.

If the alternative is letting the LBs stagnate to the point we're dumpster diving like what happened with the CBs last year, I'd rather force it now.

I wish Veech was more like Carl Peterson- he out-negotiated every team bringing in Mighty Mouse and Carlton Gray. He really played hardball with Dan Williams- who never played another snap for us. And thankfully he traded that "Young man at risk" Jared Allen to the Vikes to make sure we had no pass rush for 5 years.

Man I miss the Good ol' days.

I'd rather get better talent at Corner or TE or whatever, than take a LB that isn't very good.

these people whining probably work with people that have a history as bad or worse then him

And you're a complete homer if you look at the totality of veachs work and want to sell anyone that we consistently get good value out of our negotiations. Again, I like veachs work including the Clark deal. But he's not a great negotiator and you're putting some heavy spin on a lot of underwhelming deals to make it sound otherwise.

We've asked 20 times what better offers were on the table that Veach passed on.

All we have is a vague claim that somebody wanted to trade picks for a broken down Houston and Veach decided he didn't want more draft picks, or that someone thought Ford was worth more and Veach decided he didn't want more, and - etc

This.

We need some of THAT attitude on this defense. Clark and Honey Badger will certainly help with that.

This team's defense was 'soft' last year (Berry, Houston, etc.). That is why they lost to the Pats in Arrowhead. The defense, in addition to needing a scheme change, needed an attitude overhaul.

They are doing just that.

Ok Swami, Tell us how you would have did things differently, blanket criticism is old.

LMAO

Look at what the guy has done. He is aggressive as hell. Had to remake defense, did.

We’ll see what the results are, but what he’s doing is a lot better than sitting around bargain hunting for value.

I’ve said myself that I wasn’t exactly thrilled with the compensation but it’s not as simple as a 1 and a 2. It’s the 29th pick that would most certainly give you a 2nd round talent and the 2 is for 2020 and will likely be a late pick giving it late 3rd round value. We also move up 8 spots in the 3rd this year. It wasn’t any worse than what the Browns gave up for a diva WR.

What GM is out there getting great deals on blue chip talent?

I’ll wait...

Wait until Clark is destroying QB's, whipping the crowd at Arrowhead into a frenzy - these naysayers will be silent then.

Not many on here were at the games when DT was hitting Steve Young so hard he was puking on the field, setting the single game sack record, smashing Elway so hard in the rain they had to drag him off the field.

I think Clark could be this type of player, the guy can hit and he will give many QB's happy feet wondering where he is at.

DT and Neil Smith wrecked worlds- now we have the new Batman and Robin in Clark and Jones. It is going to be exciting!

I watched this last night.

Get to know Frank Clark as he lines up against Fisher and Schwartz all game.

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Who is his "healthy competition"?

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Something moved in my pants when I read that

Interestingly, Clark and the Chiefs bought themselves some goodwill by dumping Hunt so quickly. Most pundits and casual fans are unaware of the "lying" aspect of Hunt's behavior (all they know is what they saw on the vid-yo). They saw a guy playing kick-a-chick. They saw a guy immediately thrown to the curb by the Chiefs. They were shocked. That's a sticky sequence of events.

We are not perceived (generally speaking) as a team that harbors criminals. Rather, we are viewed as a team that values and rebuilds character and provides the occasional 2nd chance. I chalk that up to Wally's reputation, Mahomes' goody two-cleats image, and Clark's abrupt and immediate discharge of Hunt.

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Reid and Veach have done this off season is what I truly hoped but didn't think they had the balls to do. The defense started getting soft a couple of years ago and they didn't seem to adapt well during games. Last year was a breaking point. It needed "all blowed up" but I was afraid that as close as they came to the Super Bowl they would just try and tinker around the edges. They didn't. Firing Sutton on the Tuesday and flushing Berry, Houston, Ford, Murray, Bailey and bringing in new blood. I'm the most optimistic I've been in 15 years.

This.

He also neglected the secondary last season during what was suppose to be a good DB class.

None of that makes Veach a bad GM. Just not an impressive one. Yet.

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This mock is unrealistic after I saw Daniel Jones on this

Well said.

Watch Ford in that first series- he dogged it all the way up the field.

Meanwhile Clark was chasing Damien Williams 20 yards up the field

sign me up

This sentiment coincides with my opinion, exactly.

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Another plus on Clark is that he's just entering his prime. He could continue to improve.

Some of this is not fair to Veach.

People shit all over Watkins but forget we had the best offense in the league, the contract is structured perfectly and he was damn good in the playoffs when we needed him.

Hitchens just isn’t fair. He was put in a completely different system than he has ever played in. I really think this season will be the litmus test for him.

Veach has been significantly better with money than Dorsey. His contract structures are better and he’s not paying brokedicks like 30+ year old Tamba Hali enormous money.

He’s committed sins, yes, but I like his aggressive nature. We need that right now.

This. I don’t think he’s had his career year yet.

Who’s next on Veachs shopping spree?

That’s pretty much where I stand. I’m not going to fault the guy for being aggressive while we have a QB on a rookie deal. That’s exactly what we want him to do.

I’ll take his approach over Ballard’s all ****ing day.

First three rushing plays went straight at Ford.

No desire to "pile on" here or anything ...

But the Peters stuff is fascinating to me. I must have totally missed the dozens and dozens of teams lining up to engage in the bidding war for Marcus Peters. 'Cause I didn't see one.

That, I believe, is what they call a paucity of demand.

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Aside from Jones, the second column of that 'mock' is completely unrealistic.

There's NO way Lock, Sweat, Gary & Font all drop into the second round. One probably, maybe two at most.

Good point this defense did need some attitude and a change. I dont have a problem with the trade. I do think we overpaid and we easily could have just drafted a pass rusher.... But we needed help on the dline badly, I am not sold on Veachs ability to draft and this guy is proven where as a draft pick isnt.

Hope it works out.

The Colts are in a different pay period than the Chiefs though. They've got Luck paid already so they've gotta be a bit more cautious I'd think.

Moreso, I think they weren't really sure what Luck would be with the injury. I'm surprised they didn't get a little more free agenty this offseason, but that's not necessarily a bad thing I guess.

I was pissed at first, but then I looked more into Frank Clark and hes a ****ing beast. The guy hasn't even been a full time starter until last year and still he racked up sacks in the years prior.

Yes he is worth more in picks than Dee Ford, because hes been completely healthy, he has a much better track record of producing, and hes a little over 2 years younger than Ford.

I really like the way Veach is doing his contracts. Yes hes paying a lot but it's not like he is paying aging vets. Hell I'd take Frank Clark and his deal over Khalil Mack and his deal. Frank Clark will be 30 in his last year here and the bears will be paying Mack until he is 33. Mack is making 23.5 million per year and Clark is making 21 million a year.

Clark's stats through the first 4 years of his career:

33 games started, 35 sacks, 8 forced fumbles, 1 int, 72 QBs hits, 35 tackles for loss, 136 tackles

Mack's stats through his first 4 years of his career

64 games started, 40.5 sacks, 9 forced fumbles, 1 int, 84 QBs hits, 68 tackles for loss, 303 tackles

Also I see a lot of people complaining about us not going and getting someone else and waiting so long until we had to overpay for Clark. It seems Veach has certain guys that he wants and it's not like Clark has been available until recently. The Seahawks were supposedly going to pay Clark until Wilson did his thing, so the contract extension for Wilson made Clark available. All these other guys people are saying Veach could have gotten are probably guys he didn't want or Spags didn't want.

So relax guys we just got a guy that's just a small step below Mack, but hes younger and cheaper. We have another guy we will probably sign to an extension that is a small step under A. Donald, but he is also younger and also should be cheaper. It seems we are building up a good defense.

They have a ton of cap space though. This is the time to capitalize.

Hitchens is going to play, as much as teams are in subs now O'Daniel will play a ton...they do still need another LB.

I wonder if that may be a vet FA after the draft, still a few solid ones out there.

And if Irv Smith is sitting there at the end of the 2nd, I think the Chiefs have to consider it. There is no one after Kelce.

There are going to be guys that fall, not everyone can go high and it always happens.

Clearly, you need sensitivity training, Mr. Eleazar.

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