I'd prefer a 180

Frank Clark SUCKS!!!!!!! Oh wait jury is back out again.

They were even good on that first drive. They were just slipping with penalties on third down.

I said it in the game thread and I'll say it again here: this version of Frank Clark is fool's gold. Bolles is just that bad.

DOesn't even look like the same player as last week

LOL, maybe he's back on PEDs and painkillers

Maybe you're just a ****ing clueless moron like usual.

Talent doesn't disappear overnight.

He's getting healthy now.

Whatever it takes.

https://www.espn.com/blog/nfcwest/po...-under-carroll

Cautiously optimistic.

Nice game Frank!!

clark ready to take erin to bed!!!

https://i.imgur.com/j4X1nHj.jpg

Before tonight, he was at rock bottom.

Tonight we know that he can at the very least make Garrett Bolles his bitch.

It's a start...

He played really well.

Nice game Frank!

...and D.

I don’t want to hear this shit when posters are sucking off Khalil Mack when he got 5 sacks m this terrible OL in his all pro season.

Great game by Clark and the whole Defense.
Let’s hope it has some longevity

He looked great tonight. Hopefully he keeps it up.

It's a good start for the whole defense, and a step in the right direction for Clark.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">...Frank finally showing off the brace we&#39;ve all seen underneath the sleeves this year.</p>&mdash; Craig Stout (@barleyhop) <a href="https://twitter.com/barleyhop/status/1185033068668686337?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 18, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Over reaction planet as usual LMAO

hmmn.

pretty much everyone says, " Good game. Keep it up."

how's that overreacting?

I mean, yeah, usually, this is super-overreaction planet.

Just a page back people were talking about ending Clark's season.

So he's playing hurt? Or protection

Probably a bit of both

LMAO

Denver fan has to LOVE the abortion known as Bolles.

Wow, that OL was brutal. I was pretty down on ours, but Denver's is beyond repair. They need to blow that team up. Fire everyone and start over.

Combined with Flacco's flat footedness in the pocket, they were just a disaster.

HAHAHAHA

FRANK AND CLAY

FRIENDS FOREVER

https://i.imgur.com/azXjrHd.jpg

LET'S ****ING GOOOO

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Naw keep that same ENERGY. ������</p>&mdash; Frank Clark (@TheRealFrankC_) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheRealFrankC_/status/1185115144289955840?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 18, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Surely he’s going to have surgery this offseason on the elbow(s).

I know Denver isnt good but I don't think any other defense has so thoroughly dismantled them this season. That was just a brutal beat down.

The Pats have the same issue.

And two backup OTs.

This is a very good sign.

Let’s talk about that piece of trash Dee Ford again for a little while.

He’s no longer starting for the 49ers and has been on the field for 78/221 snaps in the past four games - 35 percent.

He’s a productive situational pass rusher. And that’s exactly how the 49ers are using him.

Trading him was absolutely the right thing to do. He’s being paid like a 3-down player/star and isn’t close to that.

If last night was a sign of Clark getting healthy/right and back in business, I’m confident Clark ends up having a better overall year and is the better player going forward.

Piece of trash is harsh

Not when you normally refer to him as a piece of shit.

Veach is shitting tiffany cufflinks this morning!!!

Still salty about his beating MU days?

As long as I don't have to wait another seven games for him to do it again... but it's a start.

Nothing to do with it, actually. Everything to do with him being a soft, weak-ass, off-injured player who also is a goddamn idiot as an NFL player.

Dorsey fell in love with him because he was a workout warrior and passed up a bunch of other good defensive players.

This was before last nights game

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Dee Ford<br>-91.1 overall grade<br>-17 pressures<br>-4 sacks<br>-12 QB hurries<br>-1 QB hit<br>-0 INT<br>-118 snaps<br><br>Frank Clark<br>-56.1 overall grade<br>-17 pressures<br>-1 sack<br>-13 QB hurries<br>-3 QB hits<br>-1 INT<br>-354 snaps (exactly triple the amount of snaps of Dee Ford’s snaps)<br><br>Source: PFF</p>&mdash; Farzin Vousoughian (@Farzin21) <a href="https://twitter.com/Farzin21/status/1184452396241637378?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 16, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The only thing Dee Ford has was more sacks. That was it. And yes Clark has played far more snaps, BUT that means they know Dee Ford sucks vs the run. He isn’t playing on 1st down very often.

Yeah. Hated the compensation to get him, but Frank Clark is still better.

The missing component from PfF grades, IMO, is positional/situational adjustments.

Ford is a situational speed rusher the Niners are protecting by hiding from non-passing situations.

So his grades, by their system, will always look awesome.

Well, yeah...

THERE'S the answer I was looking for.

So yeah, establish a pattern please and let's revisit this a few weeks down the road.

He certainly earned a reprieve from my ire last night... but if it’s just a flash in the pan, it’ll bubble right back to the surface

this is actually pretty telling by pff on how bad they are. there is no way frank clark on any rating system would be that much worse then dee ford

It has to over value the pass rush and not account for setting an edge, which IMO is very important for the defensive end standpoint.

For edge players, they seem to place a high value on percentage of plays that generated a pass rush.

Obviously, a situational rusher who is playing roughly 1/3 of snaps, on passing downs, is going to have a higher percentage of pressures because they’re not out there for “unpredictable situation” throws.

I don't have a subscription, but I'd love to see a lot of grades for the Chiefs after last night's game.

Prison Bitch thinks he's one of the worst players in the NFL.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">By the way, <a href="https://twitter.com/TheRealFrankC_?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TheRealFrankC_</a> , <a href="https://twitter.com/AnthonyHitchens?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AnthonyHitchens</a>, and <a href="https://twitter.com/aokafor57?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@aokafor57</a> are the first team trio to EACH record 2+ sacks and a forced fumble in the same game since the Ravens trio of Terrell Suggs, Adalius Thomas, and Peter Boulware back in 2003.<a href="https://twitter.com/Chiefs?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Chiefs</a> | <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ThursdayNightFootball?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ThursdayNightFootball</a> <a href="https://t.co/JgQlkH7WiX">https://t.co/JgQlkH7WiX</a></p>&mdash; NFL Research (@NFLResearch) <a href="https://twitter.com/NFLResearch/status/1185057620337364994?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 18, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Ford's numbers were way better going into last night's game.

But why does Ford have a third of Clark's snaps?

Have you watched and graded every snap of both Dee Ford and Frank Clark this season?

Also, I mean we're in a thread titled "Frank Clark ****ing sucks", seems like PFF's grade is agreeing with a lot of people here?

Because he’s a one-trick pony and the niners are using him as such.

Ford

Frank

Veach WINNING

Frank is about to ****ing EAT.

Got his health and his confidence back.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"><a href="https://t.co/vBLvTb1dHY">pic.twitter.com/vBLvTb1dHY</a></p>&mdash; Frank Clark (@TheRealFrankC_) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheRealFrankC_/status/1185346419730853889?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 19, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I’m not sure if he’s got the health back but Hitchens mentioned that the whole night was just about playing with a new mentality... said some vets challenged everyone to put their foot down; enough was enough.

We’ll see..

Vets was definitely words for Tyrann Mathieu

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Didn’t spot Frank Clark (neck) out here today. <a href="https://t.co/oMgUyW6Cen">https://t.co/oMgUyW6Cen</a></p>&mdash; Herbie Teope (@HerbieTeope) <a href="https://twitter.com/HerbieTeope/status/1187777471271329792?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 25, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


3 days of no practice

AND he’s a brokedick

veach with the ultimate because chiefs

Mahomes practices but not Clark

If Clark and Jones are out, definitely don’t play Pat.

This one is over...

Ogbah has been better than Clark anyways

Give Frank Clark an I.V. of PEDs, he'll be fine

No he hasn’t.

I’ve watched enough of the game film to definitively say that isn’t true.

JFC penbrook

PFF disagrees with you. Clark is a 59.0 while Ogbah is a 71.1

But......if that 1 trick is something valuable and you are smart enough to use him for that...

For example if Dee Ford stays healthier playing less snaps and proceeds to put up better numbers in half the snaps that kinda makes the Chiefs look like idiots.

Veach is that guy that if he goes bargain shopping he does pretty solid. Ward, Ogbah etc etc.

But the minute he has bank to go spend he uses it on things that turn into lemons.

And that only reaffirms to me how useless PFF is because I promise you that I’ve got more invested in knowing how to evaluate a player than whoever is doing that evaluation.

Regardless we’re paying a lot of money for Frank. Too bad he’s hurt and underperforming

But would you pay that 1-trick $17 million a year? Or $18 million on the franchise tag?

I wouldn’t.

Exactly! That would seem rather irresponsible.

WTF does that even mean?

Reworked version of the original.

https://i.imgur.com/FXeOjja.jpg?1

If the alternative is paying 20 mil a year and giving up a 1st and a 2nd round pick? Yeah I'd franchise him and use that saved money and those picks elsewhere. You can find run stoppers and other players to supplement Ford's weaknesses there. Case in point...what the 49ers are doing.

If I thought one trick pony could put up 23 hurries, 17 QB knockdowns, 13 sacks and 7 FF over the course if a contract, then id easily pay him 17-18 million a year. Id rather pay 17-18 million for that instead of 20.5 million a year 1st rounder and 2nd rounder for a guy that is probably a slightly lesser pass rusher, not much less, and just a little bit better run defender.

With that being said, I dont think that Dee Ford will have that kind of production again and it surprises the shit out of me that Dee Ford hasn't missed a game. So if I had to pick between these options:

1. Dee Ford long term 5 yr $85.5 mil
2. Dee Ford franchise tag
3. Frank Clark give up 1st 2nd rnd draft pick and 5 yr $104 mil contract. Basically get our 2nd rounder back.
4. Keep Houston on his contract
5. None of the Aabove

This is how I rank my options

4
5
2
3
1

So in my opinion we didnt choose the worst option, but it was the 2nd worst.

And now Frank's out because he some how hurt hus neck, so after Sunday, Clark will have missed more games than Ford this year.

Lol have to love how everybody on CP has hindsight on their side.

Like anybody could’ve predicted this happening with one of the leagues best and most consistent edge rushers over the last few years.

So we just need to suck and get top 10 picks for the next few years and get good DL like Armstead, Bosa and Buckner?

Sounds easy

10 days to rest and this ****er can’t go.

Yeah because the top 10 of the first round is the only round you can acquire good defensive talent. Good post.