What about 2015?

My understanding was that the first official AFC Championship game was in 1970 and before that you had AFL championship games. But maybe the record keepers lump them all together.

Give me a break, I'm trying to troll here.

Two years of glory. Still can't believe the Royals won a WS on the back of a bullpen.

Yep Billay will show you which tailgate is ours.

JT O' Suklivam has a filmstudy on Lamar against the blitz. Go watch it.

We couldn't either... Bur unfortunately were back to losing 100+

Their the best defense in the NFL under what Metric?

:LOL:

I appreciate your honesty. That's all we are saying. You guys have played 2 defense thays been decimated by injuries and think your back. This weeks will tell the true story. Truth be told beating the Bills on a missed fg with all those injuries isn't anything to right home about. Not for the big bad Chiefs who has the best coach, HOF QB, and best playoff DC this league has ever seen. Surely you should have boat raced a team that was missing WR 2, LB1, 2, 3, CB1, amongst other guys
Come in and put up similar numbers againat a relatively healthy Ravens team and you may be on to something.

At least you're getting a new stadium. And let me tell you as an Orioles fan, we survived through decades of losing baseball buoyed only by people agreeing that Camden Yards is a nice ballpark.

ROFL cause a 7 nation army couldn't hold them back ROFL

Buffalo is a better organization with a better QB than Baltimore

KC never boat races other teams. They are the Cardiac Chiefs. It has been that way for many years. It was that way last year too. They are a team capable of losing to anyone. But also capable of beating anyone.

I mean we responded with what he did in the regular season and you move the goalposts. " What QBs did he play." We responded that he has 10 wins over 10 win teams with 7 of them being playoff teams and what do you know you moved the goal post again. "What has he done in the playoffs." What pointed to what he did in his latest playoff game and what do you know move the goalposts a little further. "That was the Texan who didn't deserve to be in the playoffs. The good thing is in about 4 days the game will be played and the goalposts will no longer be able to be moved. Well you guys already have your built in excuses.
"It was a down year for us." "Kelce was hurt all season" "the wr let us down." "We were disinterested because we had been to 6 straight AFCCG and 3 straight SB." " Thuney was hurt" did I miss any?

Since 2018, when Allen and Lamar were both drafted, the Ravens have won more games, scored more points, and given up fewer points than the Bills. Lamar has won two MVPs to Allen's zero. And the furthest either has progressed is the AFC Championship game. The Ravens have a better combined DVOA between 2019 and 2023 (x.com/ASchatzNFL/status/1749805168168927467?s=20).

I won't even discuss the pre-2018 period because this is an unserious point.

Something to consider that really doesn’t even get talked about around here, but the drops and the penalties that have plagued this offense this year are abnormally high. Last season MVS was certainly inconsistent, but this season he has been very consistent - consistently bad. Toney’s drops through out the season were not consistent with his play last year, shit, he took time to adjust his gloves while high pointing a ball and then making the catch last season. Kelce hasn’t had this many drops since like maybe his 1st or 2nd season, we know this year has been an anomaly for him.

A good portion of our penalty problems stem from asswipe Collinsworth painting a target on our RT in game 1 and Taylor’s struggle to adjust in season out of the way he’s always played. Outside of that, it’s been just a lot of mental errors that are uncharacteristic of Reid coached teams.

I have been waiting all season for all of this to return to average - well, not Taylor, his situation is what it is for this season.

What does any of this have to do with your post? The fact that the Miami and Buffalo defenses were depleted doesn’t matter this week - at least not in the way you think - what matters is that it provided an opportunity, especially for pass catchers, to get some confidence back. MVS’s two big catches this past week were not just important for that game, but for confidence in the passing game as a whole going forward. Ditto Kelce being more reliable the past two weeks. That Baltimore’s defense is healthy might not be that big of a difference if the confidence and focus are back and working hand in hand with the incredible amount of post season experience on this team. We’ll know for sure come Sunday.

they. never. learn.

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I dont understand why people think this will be such a high scoring game. This is the #1 vs #2 defense. Itll be like 20-16 or something.

i'm ready for mahomes 11-6 kurt warner game

At least they are not predicting KC to get blown out. Ravens have been a better team this season. Seems completely reasonable that 70% of the media folks would predict Baltimore to win.

I agree. Beating a Bills team that was shredded with injuries, after they'd been playoff-level intensity football for 7 consecutive weeks already wasn't a huge test. And the fact that KC only won by a FG isn't great by any means. The fact that the WRs only managed to catch 7 balls against their secondary isn't great.

Look, we know what the Chiefs are this season. They aren't the super explosive, offensive juggernaut from a few seasons ago. Or even anywhere close to what they were last season. There's no "13 seconds" offense here in 2023.

This year's Chiefs are dominated by their defense. They defense won more games for KC in 2023 than the offense did; pretty much everyone knows that around here. Hell, pretty much everyone in the football universe knows that.

And the offense has been searching all season for some kind of consistency and chemistry. An identity. And to us, it seems like they've finally found their identity over the last couple games. And that identity looks like a very balanced run-pass ratio (34/41 vs. MIA, 23/24 vs. BUF) and a very methodical 'matriculation" down the field to get into scoring range.

That's going to be the crux of it right there. Can the Chiefs offense matriculate the ball down the field enough times to score enough points to hold off BAL? Because I think BAL will score around 27. Probably no more than that against our defense and Spags.

Because as talented as your offense is, it's still operated by Lamar, and he's not a great passer. He's better than he was a couple seasons ago, but he's not among the very best pocket passers if he can't throw to his first read or two.

And Spags will take away his first two reads. He's going to pressure him, simulate pressure, give him a new look on every 3rd down, take away the middle of the field, and generally rush him in a way that prevents Lamar from just taking off, and force him to throw the ball deep to beat us. Which is definitely not Lamar's forte.

So I don't see BAL scoring more than somewhere in the mid-20s. 27 on the outside, because you have Justin Tucker and I can see him booting one from 65 at the end of the half or something.

So the only other question is how efficient can the Chiefs offense be vs. your defense. Can they score in the mid-20s? Because if they can, and the score is close in the last minutes of the game and the Chiefs have the ball, sorry not sorry, but the Chiefs are going to win, baby.

That's just how it is.

Yes!!!

I'm convinced that the Owners were lock in step in never giving another fully guaranteed contract. They knew noone would offer him a contract they wouldn't match because they only thing they wouldn't match is a fully guaranteed deal. The owners aren't in a hurry to blow the doors off the salary structure so they knew he wouldn't get an outrageous contract and he definitely wasn't getting a fully guaranteed deal. Football is a sport were owners will hold on to the power as long as they can. If Patrick Mahomes demanded a fully guaranteed deal he would be the next Kaep.

:LOL:

Royals lost to the Giants in the 2014 WS. Returned to the "abyss" the next year & won the WS over the Mets (2015). Let's see...last time the Orioles won the WS was 1983... And the last time the Ravens won the SB was 2012... That's about 12 years ago. Chiefs won the SB about 12 months ago. :hmmm:

He was also 13-3 and the presumptive MVP. I'll contend he was eating the blitz up.

Why are we talking about baseball? I must've missed something. Loved Cal, btw. He's the sole reason I came back to MLB after the strike. Guy was true greatness.

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Just shining a light on some disinformation. Also got some NFL facts in there. :)

I don't agree. Kaepernick was exposed on the field as a guy who struggled to read defenses. Harbaugh did a great job hiding that for Kaep in the first couple years. If Kaepernick performed like Mahomes, he never would have been blackballed in the league. Easy to blackball a dude when he's performing like a backup QB, and even got benched for poor performance before the blackball stuff happened.

Mahomes signed a ridiculously team-friendly deal back in 2020 with only $140M guaranteed for 12 years. This season his agent asked the Chiefs to update the cash flow and guaranteed money, so they did. He's getting $210M fully guaranteed over 4 years (2023 to 2026). They are gonna re-work the contract again in 2026-2027.

Chiefs could have told Mahomes to go screw himself, and they didn't. I feel very confident if he ever made it to the open market, the entire league would be falling over themselves to hand him a fully guaranteed contract. If they did it with Deshaun Watson, they would absolutely do it with Mahomes.

blitz is more than 4. You want to get hung up on semantics then go ahead. I was more interested in blitzing 75% of the time than i was the number over 5 they were sending.

Don't wanna derail this thread and veer off into baseball talk. I'm aware that the 2015 Royals existed and I don't think it takes away from the point that the Royals emerged for those two seasons and that was it. Typically doesn't happen that way in sports in general and stands out as an outlier.

Cal was at the Ravens game last week. They're rolling out the red carpet this week with Michael Phelps, T-Pain at halftime, Ray Lewis/Ed Reed/Terrell Suggs/Jonathan Ogden/Anquan Boldin. Should be quite an atmosphere.

DVOA MAN! DVOA!

Was the narrative that Mahimes never WON a postseason road game or he never PLAYED IN a postseason road game.? Its hard to win something you never actually played in.

True. "Never had to win on the road" I guess is the way to put it.

Tje only one that looks at Mahomes as the GOAT is Chiefs Planet. While being wildly talented there's a guy that has 7 Lombardis that is the consensus GOAT. I guess if Chiefs Planet said it it's golden.

It was both. Apparently Mahomes & KC were supposed to lose on purpose in earlier years instead of winning enough games to gain home field advantage, just for the sake of satisfying the media people who thought Mahomes was not capable of playing well on the road. Lol

The narrative is that he had HFA during his entire postseason career and everyone wanted to see how he'd perform in a hostile postseason environment. And naturally that was answered last Sunday.

Hey dickbag, we steam rolled the Phins in the fourth coldest game ever played.

Then we were a Hardman fumble at the 1 from beating the Bills by 30+.

When you team wins a chip talk some shit like this but not until then

One good pass rusher? Mads had 12 sacks, Clowney had 9.5, Vsn Noy had 9, and Oweh had 5 but ok we have 1 good pass rushers. It took Deshaun Watson to literally have a perfect half for them to get to OT and beat us and there isn't a Puka Nukua or Copper Kupp on your team. The only TE that had a day was George Kittle and nearly half his yards came on 1 play. But ok.

Tom is the GOAT, no question.

But Mahomes has some metrics in his favor that are pretty incredible. Reminds me of Tiger Woods compared to Jack Nicklaus in that regard. Tiger did some things that even Jack never accomplished. A lot of people including yourself are probably not even aware of this one. Playoff comebacks while trailing by at least 7 points:

Patrick Mahomes: 8-2 record (80% win rate)
Tom Brady: 10-11 record (48% win rate)
Joe Montana: 4-6 record (40% win rate)
Peyton Manning: 3-9 record (25% win rate)

Joe Montana was known as a super clutch player who was pretty legendary for leading great comebacks. He had a better defense backing him than Mahomes has ever had, which you would think helped Montana in those comeback scenarios. Montana & Mahomes have the same sample size of 10 Playoff games on this metric. And Mahomes is at 80% win rate while Montana is at 40% win rate. That's pretty mindblowing.

Let me get this straight if Lamar loses to God in cleats, the greatest HC in history and the greatest playoff DC in history its another choke job. But if God in Cleats, the greatest HC, and the greatest playoff DC loses to a perennial choker they just chalk it up to be down year? You can't make this stuff up.

You guys are the one with the 13-4 record and an incredibly stacked team. And Lamar's playoff record is 2-3.

So.... yes.

I was just comparing Mahomes' stats to Jackson's for 2023 and if my math is correct Mahomes ended up with more combined yards than Jackson. I wouldn't have thought that with Jackson being the MVP that it would have been the other way around. And the Chiefs offense is supposed to have sucked this year. Weird.

Your toughest game of the season was a team that was missing wr2, LB 1, 2, 3, and CB 1? I get it now you are propping Josh Allen up so you can feel better about needing a missed fg to win.

Lamar's value is never going to be captured entirely by statistics/yardage. He makes plays no other QB ever has (including Mahomes), and he elevates the play of everyone around him. You don't have to take my word for it; that's literally why he's the 2x MVP, because those things become clear if you watch him game over game.

This thread has gone full blown AIDS. My goodness

I dunno, Baltimore found a way to win games without him last year. Harbaugh does a great job and the GM does a great job. They have a great defense, which has nothing to do with the QB. They had a great defense 20 years ago, long before Lamar ever showed up. Harbaugh and the current GM have done a great job continuing the tradition of strong defense in Baltimore going back 2 decades. But then I think about this one...

The other day the TV guys had a stat about the Pittsburgh Steelers. 90% losing rate when TJ Watt misses games with injury. That's insane right there, especially for a defensive player to have that type of impact on a team's ability to win games. You go from a team with a solid record to losing 90% of your games from one pass rusher going down? That's wild.

I've seen him play plenty.

Most of them most have been reacting to the false narrative that PM II's lucky underwear were stolen. My 2nd cousin's housekeeper knows Mahomes' personal chef. She was told that the rumor is definitely FALSE. All is good. Betting large on this one.

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The defense and just overall roster quality have always been there for sure. And if they didn't have Lamar, they would still be good with a different system. But this current version of the Ravens has been built around Lamar and is dysfunctional without him. I actually think that's the best argument for why he's the MVP. It's not a statistical argument so much as he is indispensable to his team and propels them to (regular season thus far) success.

In 2021, they were 8-3 and the one seed until Lamar got hurt, and then they lost their final six games to miss the playoffs. In 2022, 9-4 until Lamar got hurt. They remain competitive with Huntley because he can run the same offense and the rest of the roster/coaching staff is very good, but Lamar makes it all go.

Here's a way to think about it. Take Brock Purdy. He put up big numbers on the 49ers. Now put him on the Ravens. Are the Ravens even remotely as good as they are now with him throwing to Zay Flowers/Bateman/Likely instead of Aiyuk/Deebo/Kittle and having a backfield with Gus Edwards instead of McAffrey?

Then you should know that simply looking at the box score or adding up his season totals for passing yards doesn't capture how he affects the games.

I have agreed with most of what you said, however Lamar has played 7 games without Andrews and won 6 of them. I think he's been pretty comfortable without Andrews.

Obviously Lamar is a million, maybe even a billion times more valuable than Brock Purdy. I think everyone realizes Purdy is a product of a stacked roster on both sides of the ball with a coach who seems to have a schematic advantage on the league. The huge "value" with Purdy right now is the super cheap rookie contract of a guy drafted in the 7th round. It will be hilarious if they end up giving him a top dollar contract.

But that TJ Watt statistic is just absolutely wild to me. I think the other positions outside of QB are not given enough thought in these MVP discussions. This 90% losing stat on TJ Watt injury games would indicate a 2-15 season for the Steelers...all because of one defensive player. They went 10-7 with him healthy. So the dude is worth 8 damn wins. That's crazy for a defensive player to be this valuable.

The other one I think about is Tyreek Hill in Miami. I think he has done tremendous stuff for them and he's extremely valuable to their performance. I feel bad for the Miami front office. Tua's agent is going to squeeze them for top dollar in the QB market, but Tua is propped up by his weapons...Tyreek hands down has the biggest impact of all those weapons. Biggest impact of any RB/WR in the league. Completely changes how defensive coordinators have to call games.

DammitCarl! :banghead:

Stats have some meaning but I was surprised because I figured with his over 800 rushing yards he would have had more combined yards. There's nothing really for you to defend because Lamar will get the MVP.

There's a bit of a "Ewing effect" with Andrews being out in the sense that the offense has gotten better without him because Lamar has had to be more creative and not just default to his safety blanket.

But at the same time, having that safety blanket would now be useful. I thought that last week during the first half against the Texans. When they were blitzing like crazy, it would have been helpful to have Andrews out there for Lamar to have a reliable option to connect with while the gameplan was being adjusted.

Gronk tweeted something today about how a two-TE set with Andrews and Likely would be deadly. And Monken did have great success with that at Georgia. But I'm not sure we'll get to see that this year if Andrews is gimpy. The bigger benefit to me is that if and when Spagnuolo dials up a tailor-made gameplan, Andrews is there as an outlet when all else fails.

Watt and Hill are definitely "valuable" in the MVP context. I think Lamar is in that same tier though; this would be a very average offense without him in the same way that the Steelers/Dolphins dropoff without Watt/Hill.

I almost wish they would just have a "QB MVP" and then MVP for everyone else, because the nature of the QB position is always going to be more valuable regardless.

By the way, what's the consensus amongst Chiefs fans about KC and Tyreek at this point? Was it just an inevitability that he had to go given his cost? If you could go back now and spend every available cap dollar on him, would it have been worth it?

It's a fair point. I commend you for looking beyond the passing stats to the rushing ones for Lamar to see if it closes the gap. And in 2019 when he won his first MVP, that was the case. But this year his totals don't blow you away no matter how you cut them. Still easily the MVP though imo.

Because you said so?

They won a Super Bowl last year without Tyreek. I think KC fans have a mixed view on it. Tyreek currently has serious problems off the field with baby mama drama, supposedly divorce stuff going on too. I am not sure anyone would be happy to have this type of distraction in KC.

My biggest thing with the Chiefs front office is that Patrick does not need Tyreek, the fastest dude in the league (an absurd standard). He only needs solid dudes who will run routes in the correct spot and catch the damn ball. Tyler Lockett is the kind of guy I would like to have for Patrick. Even guys like Amendola & Welker & Edelman. Brady was fortunate to have dudes who didn't mess up the most basic part of the WR job.

Chiefs front office has whiffed pretty bad in this "fundamentals" regard with the likes of MVS, Skyy Moore, and Kadarius Toney. Rashee Rice seems to be a pretty good draft pick, but time will tell if the kid is able to keep it going next year and beyond. I think it's a pretty big red flag on MVS that the Packers & Rodgers seemed happy to get rid of him back in 2022. Same thing with Giants being so eager to dump Toney when he was a recent 1st round Draft pick. Skyy Moore is just a mega bust, poor evaluation and whatever else with him.

So you have Bill Russell and his 11 championships as the GOAT over MJ?

Josh Allen has more than double the # of playoff wins as a starting QB compared to Lamar.

Shit, Baker Mayfield has more playoff wins than Lamar.

LMAO

Makes sense. It's almost just a minimum competency thing. You don't want to be like the Packers with Rodgers when they couldn't give him anything other than Adams.

This is a really good draft for WRs. I'm hoping the Ravens grab one down in this 29-32 range where the Ravens/Chiefs will be picking. A guy like Troy Franklin might be available and he would go mid-first many years. Also a great OT year, which I imagine is a need for both teams. Not the worst consolation prize that the loser of this game might be able to snipe the other team at a position they're both coveting.

This is probably the best team Lamar has had and everything for the Ravens appears to be clicking.

KC's defense has played well, but KC's WR have sucked and dragged down the rest of the offense. It has been a down year for KC in the Mahomes' era.

Rice has improved things, but there is no reliable deep threat.

Do you think it's been a down year for the Ravens?

If Lamar can't beat Mahomes this year, when can he?

Sure, next few years the KC D might not be as elite, but the offense is likely to be better. Lamar is no longer on a rookie contract and that will bite at some point.

Have you seem the backlash the owners gave Haslem for that contract. Kaep was blackballed because he was messing with the owners bottom line. IDC who you are ignoring one is above the shield. If Mahomes was a FA and demanded a fully guaranteed deal than he would be playing baseball. There will not be another fully guaranteed long term contract for a very long time. The owners aren't going to willingly give up their power. They've fought long and hard to garner and keep that power and they aren't about to give it up. If they give Mahomes a fully guaranteed deal Then everyone coming behind him would demand one. The were hell bent on making Watson the outlier and not the norm. Demaurice Smith was on the Pivot podcast talking about this give it a listen and it would be really clear what happened.

Mahomes just got 4 years fully guaranteed at $210 million. Seems like a pretty dang awesome deal on his end IMHO. The Chiefs could have told him to screw off when he asked for that considering he was already under contract for a very long time into the future. They had plenty of leverage on their side to not give him what he wanted.

If your favorite NFL football team ain't the KC Chiefs... You deserve to DIE!!!!!

I don't recall hearing that. What I heard was Pat Mahomes has never played a road PO game. I think there was interest in seeing how that would look because they never had to play a playoff game away from Arrowhead. It's really hard to say a person can't do something that they never had to do. Maybe it was the MJ way of making their own motivation. After all he is your guys MJ.

Given that Lamar's healthy skill position group right now is rookie Zay Flowers, old man OBJr., Isiah Likely, and Gus Edwards, I think it's plausible the answer to "when can he" is a later date with improved options. And it's not like the Ravens need a bunch of cap space to find them. Almost all of their best players are homegrown, and they've been the best drafting organization in the NFL for over two decades now.

Also, Kelce and Reid aren't going to be around forever. I think the Chiefs will be contenders for every minute that Patrick Mahomes is around, but this isn't some once-in-a-lifetime window for the Ravens to capitalize on a stacked Ravens/barren Chiefs.

There was a Buffalo player Dion Dawkins who threw out a sarcastic "good luck" while bragging about Buffalo's home crowd as a massive advantage. The sarcastic "good luck" part of his comment came across like "you have no chance of winning."

I feel very confident Sean McDermott did not want his players speaking in that manner, but Dawkins kind of messed up. Josh Allen & Mitch Morse spoke in a much more coach-speak manner, showing respect to the opponent and excitement for the game without creating any kind of bulletin board material. This is the strategy all players and coaches should use in media interviews leading up to every game. Be as boring as possible, lol

Hey Numbnuts we boat raced the Phins by 30 before their remaining LBs went to the infirmary.

Clearly remedial math was your preferred destination in school. But dang 1 fumble cost you 27 points? That's tough.

My team already has 2 Chips. Guess I can talk shit.

But you guys are the ones with God in Cleats, the greatest HC and playoff DC. Surely you guys can beat a perennial choker even in a down year. I mean that perennial choker did beat God in cleats, the greatest HC, and Playoff DC with a Rag Tag bunch of misfits. I forgot that doesn't count because it wasn't in the playoffs.

Baltimore went 2-4 without Lamar last season. The year before they didn't win another game after Lamar went down.

You saw Hardman's fumble on the goal line against Buffalo. That's exactly how KC has been losing games this season. So that's the biggest question. Which team can protect the ball? It's one of the most critical factors in every NFL game.

KC has specialized in hurting themselves with dumb mistakes like that Hardman fumble. Who knows if they can play super clean football against Baltimore. KC has an uphill battle, but they play the games for a reason and we have to see how it goes.

I don't agree woth that. In 2020 I dint think Lamar trusted anyone but Hollywood and Andrews. 2021 Hollywo9d leaves and Bateman get drafted and is immediately hurt. That left noone but Andrews. Same for 22. This season I do t think he forced the ball nearly as much to Andrews as

How did Cleveland beat your fraud team and rush for 178 yards rushing vs your allegedly top ranked defense?

Lamar is a pretty dang valuable guy, no doubt. He has special talent. QB's in general are the biggest impact guys. Colts went from a high level playoff team to #1 overall draft pick as soon as Peyton Manning went down. Texans went from #2 overall draft pick to suddenly winning a Playoff game with CJ Stroud.

But the stat about TJ Watt is pretty shocking. I'm not sure how a single defensive player can have so much impact that a team loses 90% of the time when he misses a game. That's insane, lol

there's no ****ing way andrews is playing

look at that limp at the end of the vid

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Because everyone who watches football and can think with a rational mind says so. Are you suggesting Lamar is anywhere near the stratosphere of the QB talent that is Josh Allen? Because if you are suggesting that, you are a reeruned fanboy.

I have MJ because he went 6 for 6 with 6 finals MVPs while never sniffing a game 7. Add that to the laundry list of HOF players who don't have rings because the happened to play the same time that Michael played.

By your logic Trent Dilfer is a better QB than Lamar.