Can’t put Wanya back in… even for a few plays at this point.

This is why I think Mahomes is so quick to bail from the pocket with the sort of “ghost blitz” that Harbaugh developed. Our two tackles have proven to be whiff masters and Patrick just seems to believe an untouched defender could be heading his way any moment.

I don’t love that Harbaugh’s in our division now. The stunts his line was doing yesterday is the type of thing that even gave our 2019 O line fits.

Yeah, I don't get it.

Back in 2021 when the offense looked awful, it seemed like he was really frustrated with play calling or teammates or something... he was throwing a lot of passes at the feet of receivers and of course the offense just looked like shit. There were a few opening drives in particular that seemed to be 'back to basics' drive before it would go to shit.

And then you look at Mahomes earlier in his career and Allen for most of his career, and they had/have all the confidence in the world... Allen's problem makes far more sense, he resorts to hero ball sometimes and is maybe over-confident.

How Mahomes goes from confident/decisive to lost and 2nd guessing on a drive-to-drive basis is kind of baffling due to the huge swings one way or another.... they generally do pretty well on opening drives, which makes sense. And then you give him the ball at the end of games, and he's usually really locked in. Sometimes during a game (end of the first half last night) they suddenly get their shit together, but often this season it doesn't carry over to multiple drives.

It also negates Matt Nagy.

Speaking of which, I can't say I have seen us much if at all run stunts. I see exotic blitz of just about every kind, but it seems it is either a standard 4 man rush or blitzes. Our lack of consistent pressure kept them hanging around last night when they had no business doing with what personnel they had left on the roster.

They already did put him in for 13 plays and he did perfectly fine.

He did not.

For all we I know, it was Nagy that recommended going up tempo.

Huh? What did he do wrong?

Ok.


But going up tempo allows Mahomes to just make plays.


I don't know how much Reid is delegating but it feels like more during the regular season the last 2 years.

You might want to look up Andy Reid’s history bud. Games like last night made Philly run him out of town.

It was classic Andy

Exactly.

He also could've been the one advising Andy on what plays to call in what order. We simply don't know how much/little influence Nagy has in any situations. My guess is more than we think.

Nagy texting with EB in the 2nd quarter for advice that he could pitch as his idea:


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Andy with a lead is all about shortening the game.

Matt Nagy can't hold a candle to Andy Reid as a play caller.


They are not equal.


Playoffs we get that guy and that's all that matters.

Nobody even knows what Matt Nagy does. And nobody was comparing him to Andy anyway.

Last 2 weeks have Andy’s stink all over it. Classic ignoring of the running game. And if it’s somehow Nagy then it’s still on Andy. Who hired Nagy? Who taught Nagy?

Andy wanted to practice the passing game you DOPE.

We got two REALLY good practices in. ROFL

Indirectly, sure.


But Andy is just much older now and I think he is delegating more, especially during the regular season.

You can point to the decline in the offensive personnel which is fair. But I think Nagy is much more involved than people think and it started last year.

During the playoffs Andy takes the wheel more fully which is where you see brilliance and play designs that work, linked to other plays that function.



I also don't know how much we hide against certain opponents. The Buffalo game a few weeks ago in particular was strange as hell. It looked like we were trying to call any plays but the ones that would work well against them with a few exceptions.

Everybody says it's been Nagy the last two years because they need a throat to choke. The team just isn't as dominant as it once was on offense. Time moves on and things change. Nagy could sure be a part of it but there's so many possible variables involved it's impossible to really know.

You need to stop ****ing this chicken, bro.

Of all the players to die on the hill defending, Wanya is not the one..

When was the last time the Chiefs game planned for a team in the regular season where they absolutely dismantled someone like McVay did to Buffalo yesterday?

I can think of KC opening day against Baltimore seemed on point this year, at least the first half.

And 49ers two year ago. We almost never seem to have a game planning/schematic advantage in the regular season anymore on offense with one of the greatest offensive coaches in NFL history?

Does not compute.

Fire Nagy!!!

It’s just brain cramps for Nagy

It all comes down to Pat. I'm one of those that feels the cake is the players and coaching is just the icing. I don't think play calling and all of that stuff are NEARLY as important as talent and execution. And let's face it, between the offensive line and the WRs, the last two years havent been exactly talent-filled and execution-rich.

Nope, but Knile Davis will be returning kicks.

How do you know without an MRI?

I blame him because for one, it's hard to ignore that the regression started exactly after he became OC. And two, it's not just one unit messing up. Every single unit on offense is broken to a certain extent. There is zero chemistry between the players. And despite the injuries, it's not a talent thing. We have enough talent that with the best QB in football, we should at the very least look decent. Maybe not the greatest show in the world like we have been in past years. But we have enough talent that we should never have a game where we only score 1 touchdown and have to rely on a 3rd string kicker being 4/4 on FGs to win.

It's like the offense doesn't even practice together at this point. On one play, the tackles break down. The next play the interior breaks down. The next play, Mahomes has good protection but seemingly can't find an open man. The next play, there are open players but Mahomes doesn't pull the trigger for some reason or makes a bad throw. The next play the running back is gaining only 2 yards and setting up a 3rd down and long. It's actually impressive how little cohesion there is on offense until the random drive where somehow they all pull together and play up to their potential.

No matter what Andy still has final say. If he doesn’t like the call Nagy makes he can overrule it. If he doesn’t you have to assume he is ok with it.


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On the Beinemy vs Nagy topic. Beinemy did two very prominent things better.

1) The offense was much more disciplined…maybe because of fear, or relentlessness, or simply just hammering it over and over and over. The offense just seemed to operate more efficiently and effectively.

2) Beinemy wasn’t scared to push back on Reid when KC needed to run the damn ball. Reid will always fall in love with the pass…but it felt like KC ran the football when we really needed to do it. And I never felt that under Nagy or Pederson.

This is all made up in your head LMAO

You can't lead the league on third down with bad playcalling LMAO

Chiefs issues last year were WR. This year it's OT. That's all.

Could be right. But it’s been rough in all phases since Nagy’s return.

Mahomes worst statistical season was 2021 under Bienemy. Yes even worse than this season.

He had 39 total TDs ROFL

C'mon man.

You can if you have Patrick Mahomes.

Actually I think the comparison was just through 11 weeks.

Did he blow up end of that season?

Not worse than this year. Mahomes won’t sniff 4,800 yards and 37 TDs this season. And to use your logic, Mahomes also had his most productive season under Beinemy.

You playcalling doomers need to go away.

Dude, Mahomes is not slinging 17 TD in the next 4 weeks. ROFL

Well not with THAT ****ing attitude!

In the first 11 games of 2021 Mahomes had 3200 yards passing and 25 touchdowns to 11 INTs.

Through 13 games this season he has 3200 yards 20 touchdowns to 11 INTs.

And in 2021 he had Tyreek and OBJ at LT.

At the time of the comparison there were 6 games left. And no he isn't you are correct.

He probably wont be playing week 18.

Some of the play calls last night in got to have it now downs were AWFUL. Mahomes made it happen anyway.

So are we seeing some love for OBJ? It’s since he left that our LT problem has gotten so bad. Even though he was making pro bowls at the time there is so much hate for him here.certainly would be an improvement over what we have now.

I don't have any love for OBJ for what it would have cost to keep him.
He wasn't signing with KC for what he ended up signing at Cinci.

OBJ, Pffft, he ain’t even on the field tonight, or the last time I watched a Bengals game.

After a real hot start Mahomes had serious lull in 2021 for 5 of 6 games but in the middle he threw 5 TDs in a game against the Raiders. The other 5 games he threw 4 TDs and 4 INT's.

He then went on a tear and threw 10 TDs and 1 INT the last 4 games.

He goes on a decent run to end the season he won't be far off 2021. He just hasn't had the big game or 3 he usually does where he goes off this season.

Have we gotten any updates on his injury? Is he practicing today?

Get this dude a banana

Just read that he's pancaking guys, he came back in the game nothing to worry about after a big bowl of copypasta and some rest.

EB: "Never leave home Matt. Stay in Andy's basement forever...."

Biggest moment in recent Chiefs history

Patrick to EB: "Think we have time to run wasp?"

EB staring off into space like W learning about 9/11

I came to look for information as well. I don't think there is any.

Donovan Smith is still clearly angling to get signed

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You gotta love Donovans cheek LMAO

No practice on a Tuesday for a Sunday game.

I thought we might have heard some MRI results, something.

I guess not.

he has to be out this week...right?
Wanya better get a massage before the game

No news is good news as far as I'm concerned.

what a cluster....could we see Thuney out there again?

Please don't start panicking. Good grief.

Yeah I'm betting Morris is the LT

DJ just needs more time to play himself into shape

His first football of any kind after missing a season was getting shoved straight into real game action on a new team/system... no camp, no nothing

Thats just not a fair way to evaluate anyone, we've just gotta roll with Wanya vs the Browns and babystep DJ every chance we get

Get DJ back on his feet next week after his body starts adjusting to strain again

They need to start Caliendo as tackle eligible the entire game and have him help out whoever is trying to block Myles Garrett on any one play.

nobody is panicking...just trying to figure out who is gonna play LT...jeez

If ever there was a week to not have Wanya be the LT, it’s this one.

Right? LMAOLMAOLMAO

My money says prepare yourself for Morris with a whole lotta help

DJ isn't quite ready, he needs an adjustment period

Gameplan this week:

Run to the right, rollouts to the right and screens to the right

Right? Any side Myles is on run the PASS play away from him and provide as much help as you can. My only goal is Mahomes to not get hit.

Wanya changed his number to 69 & will have it painted on his naked chest to distract the opposition

LMAO

That might work

I know he’s cooked shit but let’s send bahktiari out for two games or until his knee explodes.

How many more small vet contracts do we got left to be under cap

Help? We don't do that around here.

OTC says we have about a million bucks left.

Rough guessing going on here but if we signed Smith to like a 1y/3m deal he'd cost about 700k and that leaves room to sign one more 1y/1m type player.

It's getting so bad they may be tempted to throw Driskell out there in sheer desperation. It would be hilarious if he was the answer (not holding my breath).

I would activate him and throw him in there and see how he reacts to a real game. If he sucks, back to PS.

I'm with you. How much worse can it get?