I'm against trading for some average MLB pitcher and giving up 6 years of cost controlled pitching, especially a rental.

How is Peavy a better option than Martinez?

Way to go shelby.

Carpenter's rehab put on hold after he suffered numbness in his pitching hand after his last start.

Someone had to do it.


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ChiSox Reject Cardinals' Offer For Alexei Ramirez
By Mark Polishuk [July 24, 2013 at 12:29am CST]

The White Sox have as many trade chips as any trade deadline seller in the majors and they're putting a high price tag on their key players. According to Mark Gonzales of the Chicago Tribune, the Sox recently turned down a trade offer from the Cardinals that would have sent shortstop Alexei Ramirez to St. Louis in exchange for right-hander Carlos Martinez, one of the many elite prospects in the Cards' minor league system.

The Cardinals had been relying on Pete Kozma at short ever since Rafael Furcal underwent Tommy John surgery in March, and while Ramirez's production has dropped, he still would've presented a big upgrade. Ramirez entered Tuesday's play hitting .284/.310/.357 in 408 PA but only one homer and 23 RBI. Ramirez averaged 17 homers per year from 2008-11 but has just 10 homers total over 1029 PA in 2012-13. While his power isn't what it used to be, Ramirez has 20 steals (in 26 chances) this year and is one of the game's better defensive shortstops, with an 8.5 UZR/150 this season and a 7.7 UZR/150 for his career.

Ramirez still has value, but he turns 32 in September and is owed roughly $22MM through the end of the 2015 season, plus a $10MM club option for 2016 that can be bought out for $1MM. By that token it's surprising that the White Sox weren't willing to move the veteran for Martinez, a consensus top-40 prospect controlled through the 2019 season.

The 21-year-old Martinez was ranked as the third-best prospect in the St. Louis farm system by Baseball America, and he possesses "a biting curveball" and a changeup and could both become plus pitches. His fastball has touched 100 mph but usually clocks in the 94-98 mph range. Martinez made his Major League debut this season and has 11 strikeouts in 10 1/3 relief innings. His 6.10 ERA is largely due to a tough outing last Friday when he allowed three runs in a third of an inning against San Diego.

Also from Gonzales, Jake Peavy and Jesse Crain are drawing a lot of interest and scouts from the Diamondbacks, Reds, Braves, Red Sox and Dodgers are expected to be in Chicago through the end of the week to watch one or both men pitch. Peavy just recently returned from a DL stint while Crain is currently on the DL with a sprained right shoulder but could be activated by Sunday.

That is bullshit.

Thank God.

Maybe the leak there will get teams with legitimate long-term SSs to give us a call.

I still can't believe we aren't kicking the tires on Pastornicky in Atlanta. You don't get more buried than he is (because he's not unseating Simmons). He's young with legitimate upside and plenty of cost control. If you're going to deal Martinez, that's the kind of guy you deal him for.

You damn sure don't deal him for a 31 yr old SS that's decline for 3 straight years.

In the end, I don't buy this report because I can't see any chance in hell that Hahn turns that deal down. What's the upshot? They won't get a better prospect for him and they're not going to be competitive for the next 2 years (when his contract expires). Hahn would've taken that deal in a hearbeat.

Either it's complete BS or there is more to it than that (i.e. we were trying to get Peavy included as well)

Bullshit. Sox would trade Ramirez in a second, no way Mo gives up C-mart straight up for him. Way to troll.

So is Ryan Jackson, but he apparently is the new Bryan Anderson.

Trade a 6 year cost controlled possible #1 or #2 pitcher for minor upgrade over Kozma? No way that trade was really offered.

I'm not sure what's more ridiculous about that report - that Mo would trade Martinez for Ramirez straight up, or that the White Sox passed on the offer.

No way my sox reject that. Alexei is havin a down year defensively which he's normally really good and has awesome range and arm strength. But he's has a good year offensively minus the power numbers.

Confirmed: it's b.s.

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He isn't a minor upgrade. His offense is way better. Even if he won't hit for power, he has more speed than Kozma. Plus, their defense is pretty even.