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Mecca 07-14-2023 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 17017016)
Absolutely ****ing hate the god damn lottery. There are 162 games and after that if you finish with the worst record, then you are probably the worst team and deserve the best pick. Also, it's not like you can just suck for a franchise changing player that will come in and make you good the next year like you can do in football or basketball. These guys don't make it to the league for at least a year. The lottery in baseball is ****ing dumb.

We should have had the number 5 pick and should have gotten Walker Jenkins. Would have felt a hell of a lot better about this draft if we didn't have the God damn lottery. Who knows though this stupid ass franchise would probably have still taken Blake Mitchell.

Football is the only sport that hasn't gone to it, NBA, NHL and MLB all have.....I'm a Red Wings fan in hockey and they've gotten completely screwed by the lottery several times.

All it took was a couple of teams using the tanking on purpose strategy to end up as champions and the lottery happened. All these leagues think like 30-50% of the league tanking as a strategy is awful for business.

dlphg9 07-14-2023 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17017040)
Football is the only sport that hasn't gone to it, NBA, NHL and MLB all have.....I'm a Red Wings fan in hockey and they've gotten completely screwed by the lottery several times.

All it took was a couple of teams using the tanking on purpose strategy to end up as champions and the lottery happened. All these leagues think like 30-50% of the league tanking as a strategy is awful for business.

Tanking in baseball is just a terrible strategy and I don't think that teams are necessarily trying to tank just because there is no way to get a player that is going to turn a team around right after they are drafted. I think some of the owners are just cheap as **** and they don't want to pay for talent, so they just suck because the owner is just trying to spend as little as they possibly can.

Mecca 07-14-2023 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 17017092)
Tanking in baseball is just a terrible strategy and I don't think that teams are necessarily trying to tank just because there is no way to get a player that is going to turn a team around right after they are drafted. I think some of the owners are just cheap as **** and they don't want to pay for talent, so they just suck because the owner is just trying to spend as little as they possibly can.

The Astros tanked on purpose and honestly the Cubs did too.

The Astros building their juggernaut system out of tankimg on purpose is a huge reason this happened.

dlphg9 07-14-2023 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17017096)
The Astros tanked on purpose and honestly the Cubs did too.

The Astros building their juggernaut system out of tankimg on purpose is a huge reason this happened.

I just checked this years roster and only 2 of the 35 players that have played for the Astros this season were first round picks by the Astros;

Bregma - 2nd overall
Tucker - 5th overall

Most of their best players this year are international guys and guys drafted after like the 5th round.

This was there roster last year and where/who they were drafted by. I'll include anyone that played over 100 ABs

Hitters

Martín Maldonado - 27th round Angels
Yuli Gurriel - International Astros
Jose Altuve - International Astros
Jeremy Peña - 3rd round Astros
Alex Bregman - 1st round Astros
Chas McCormick - 21st round Astros
Michael Brantley - Brewers 7th round
Kyle Tucker - 1st round Astros
Yordan Alvarez - International Astros
Aledmys Díaz - International Cardinals
Mauricio Dubón - 26th round Red Sox
Trey Mancini - 8th round Orioles
Jake Meyers - 13th round Astros
Jose Siri - International Astros
Christian Vázquez - 9th round Red Sox

Pitchers with over 10 or more appearances

Rafael Montero - International Mets
Hector Neris - International Phillies
Phil Maton - 20th round Padres
Ryne Stanek - 3rd round Mariners
Bryan Abreu - International Astros
Ryan Pressly - 11th round Red Sox
Framber Valdez - International Astros
Cristian Javier - International Astros
José Urquidy - International Astros
Seth Martinez - 17th round Athletics
Justin Verlander - 1st round Tigers in
Luis Garcia - International Astros
Will Smith - 40th round Rays
Blake Taylor - 2nd round Pirates
Jake Odorizzi - 1st round Brewers

Doesn't seem like tanking had much to do with why the Astros are good. Seems like they know how to assemble talent, develop talent, and get international guys that amount to something. Seems like another stupid thing for MLB to do if the Astros were the reason for the lottery being implemented.

MAG 07-14-2023 07:20 PM

Great call cancelling the game tonight. Pretty sure the rain was done by 7:30. Dumbass organization.

WhawhaWhat 07-15-2023 08:58 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">1st-rder Blake Mitchell signs w/<a href="https://twitter.com/Royals?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Royals</a> for $4.9 million (pick 8 value = $5,980,100). Texas HS C, best prep backstop in <a href="https://twitter.com/MLBDraft?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MLBDraft</a> by a wide margin, lefty bat w/tools to hit for power &amp; average, agile defender, big-time arm up to 97 mph on mound. Louisiana State recruit. <a href="https://t.co/OTZpZwfWce">pic.twitter.com/OTZpZwfWce</a></p>&mdash; Jim Callis (@jimcallisMLB) <a href="https://twitter.com/jimcallisMLB/status/1680229481628278785?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 15, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

duncan_idaho 07-15-2023 09:07 AM

So… I don’t know where the rest of that $1 million is going.

I’m not impressed with Ontiveros so far. He doesn’t seem to have a really good feel for the board and how it’s going to work.

I mean, shit, they could have taken Cameron Johnson at 44 and paid him mid-round money with these savings and the others they added.

duncan_idaho 07-15-2023 09:10 AM

44 slot: 1.95 M
8 savings: 1M

And they probably have another 1/2 or so in savings with the rest of their top 10 round picks. So KC could have gotten to $4M or so on Johnson, which would have pulled him off his commitment.

He has all the things you’d like about the guy they drafted at 44, except he has shown the velocity longer and most consistently, performed in a much better baseball region, and has better secondaries, and is left handed.

lewdog 07-15-2023 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 17017730)
So… I don’t know where the rest of that $1 million is going.

I’m not impressed with Ontiveros so far. He doesn’t seem to have a really good feel for the board and how it’s going to work.

I mean, shit, they could have taken Cameron Johnson at 44 and paid him mid-round money with these savings and the others they added.

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 17017732)
44 slot: 1.95 M
8 savings: 1M

And they probably have another 1/2 or so in savings with the rest of their top 10 round picks. So KC could have gotten to $4M or so on Johnson, which would have pulled him off his commitment.

He has all the things you’d like about the guy they drafted at 44, except he has shown the velocity longer and most consistently, performed in a much better baseball region, and has better secondaries, and is left handed.

ARE YOU SAYING THE ROYALS HAVE NO ****ING CLUE WHAT THEY ARE DOING??!?!??!?!?!??!

dlphg9 07-15-2023 10:14 AM

This team is just dumb as shit

ChiefsCountry 07-15-2023 10:19 AM

Johnson's camp must have told teams something because it wasn't just the Royals who passed on him many times.

duncan_idaho 07-15-2023 11:13 AM

Staumont is having Thoracic Outlet surgery.

Would expect that basically ends his career. He can join Kevin Siegrist and a handful of others whose abuse at Matheny’s hands ruined their careers.

Mecca 07-15-2023 11:30 AM

Eesh it just gets worse.

duncan_idaho 07-15-2023 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 17017765)
Johnson's camp must have told teams something because it wasn't just the Royals who passed on him many times.


I’ve seen a few suggest he would have signed for 15-18 pick slot value. Which is around $4-4.5M

KC could have gotten to it. Will be interesting to follow, as always.

Mecca 07-15-2023 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 17017821)
I’ve seen a few suggest he would have signed for 15-18 pick slot value. Which is around $4-4.5M

KC could have gotten to it. Will be interesting to follow, as always.

The Royals look like a team thar doesn't know what it's doing...


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