I think Clint probably was boofooed by a priest when he was a kid, leading to his contempt for anyone's religious beliefs.

Dude, I'm not being harsh with him. I'm just trying to get a better understanding. You don't think I'm really interested? I am. I don't want to start some holy war. I'm honestly interested in his thoughts and ideas and his view. I struggle with this religion stuff...Am I on or am I off? Never easy to tell...

I personally feel like a less extreme version of him.

I have jumped between lutheran and methodist churches for a good deal of my life. I have no problem with the actual religions. I have a problem with the application of them and the way they are hijacked...I also have trouble with the tendencey for some parts of scripture to be glossed over and some parts used to tell others how they should live their lives.

The book is writting in Hebrew...that is translated into the Latin Vulgate. Alot of the English versions of the Bible through time have been tranlsated from the Latin Vulgate. I just have trouble not believing so much of it has been construed by the people holding the pens even if they had good intentions.

Have you ever written a poem translated from one language to another?

There are a lot of amazing people I have met through churches. Alot of people that do a lot of great things. Thats why I tend to not just slam churches as a whole but I wish would be view in a different manner. To me, a relationship with Christ (or a spiritual relationsip) is one of the most personal ones you can have. I wish church was seen more so as a tool in that journey and not the end all everything in place magic box of religion.

Some organizations just don't seem to do it right IMO. I wish I could find better words to describe it but I don't like it when a religious groups when they convey their message "like they want to win."

Anyway thats just a few of my thoughts...

Anyone who tells you they know what happens after death is a liar, including the Pope, Mother Teresa, and Ghandi. No matter how strongly they believe, or how much faith they have, they have no better idea about life after death than anyone else.

That's true. I don't disagree.

Gee, I don't think that's a very Christian-like attitude.


Then again, yes it is.

No it's not. We all know Brock Landers. The guy is a little rough with words. That's why we love him though.

Agreed

Let me rephrase, of the fossils records that HAVE been found so far, whole life forms do suddenly appear, thats scientific/fossil findings. Since there obviously appears to be no room for the evolution time table, then tell me how they got there?

What "twisted" interpretation have I presented to you?

....so when I die, I will retain total conscieness.

Out of respect.....I will reluctantly bite my tongne.
STFU

I really like Pope John Paul II. Good man. Crossed alot of barriers.

Ok, but this is something that you just think, right? I mean, you've never read that anywhere. Just curious.

But the Old Testament is much older than 2000 years according to the Jewish religion. Is it your contention that those tomes were written by Gentiles sometime in the last 2000 years?

I guess I know that you can't be convinced of God's existence on a web forum, but the historical text known as the Bible has a well documented history, which you seem to be ignoring if you think it was written simply to goof everybody. It seems like you might view Christianity as Judaism 2.0 or something. Judaism existed before Christianity, and Christians subscribe to the Jewish text as well, so when did the farce begin?

...so dat's nice. I got dat goin for me... :)