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I stand corrected.

Of course I'm not talking about a game-by-game basis.

There is nothing that shows me that Herm Edwards is a short-term, or long-term solution.

He's mediocre, and I don't want a mediocre coach leading this team for the future.

Hes about 17 games from even being close to mediocre...

Is it wonder Carl got to stay so long with fans that make any and every excuse for the organization?

In some ways, I'd be ok with that. But Marty seemed unable to build through the draft as HC. I'd rather have Herm at GM than Marty. But I'd take Marty/Cower.

However, my preference is:

Pioli & Cower

:shake: I guess people see what they want to see. Don't you remember Hard Knocks when it sure looked like Herm wanted to go with Brodie Croyle from the beginning and Carl threw a wet blanket on the idea by saying something about going with the guy who was most likely to help win games now (regardless of the long range consequences)?

Its okay Sully, As soon as you convert to the side of Herman's You will understand the value of running the clock out and kicking FG's.

Regardless, its okay, it happens, its called life, therefore, GET OVER IT!!!

Can I challenge plays that will obviously not be overturned? And by obvious, I mean that Stevie Wonder slaps his head when he hears that Herm has thrown the red flag.

Yes and I puked, but Herm didnt resist the issue and start the season with "his" guy.. He buckled under the pressure, so instead of standing up for himself, he weasled his way into Clarks boxers....

Herm is not without fault, He is a coward that hides behind the big game he talks...

Dude!:clap:ROFL

You will learn that is Chapter 3, Herms book for successful NFL football called, "This aint no Arena League boys!"

I know you're not talking about a game-by-game basis, I'm just pointing out that at some point short-term thinking gets ridiculous. If Clark fires Herm because he has weighed all the pros and cons and he thinks it makes the most sense over the long term for the Chiefs then I have no problem with it. If he fires him just so he can sell more season tickets in 2009 to emotional fans who want Herm gone, then I think it's a mistake.

Contrary to what it sounds like you're saying, IMO, the case for firing Herm isn't open and shut. I'm not against firing him (especially if not doing so stands in the way of getting a top notch GM). I just think there are some drawbacks to firing him that ought to be considered, one of which is the message it sends to any future coaches/GMs who consider blowing up the team and starting a fresh new push toward a Superbowl.

Don't you think next year would be a fresh, new start, if we had a, fresh, new coach?

Next year will be a rebuild regardless, nobody could turn this team around in one year, not with Herm as the coach-he will costs us games on game management alone-not really somebody to hitch your wagon to. Herm's record speaks volumes and cannot be ignored, nor can his game-day decisions. Add to that, the number 32 defense and you have a recipe for epic fail.

My, Goodness, why don't some of you want to be the BEST and quit endorsing a LOSER? Endorsing a half-assed coach is a loser's mentality.

Its would send more of a message that losing 24 of your last 30 or the quest for mediocrity in KC is unacceptable.

If you want to preform on the highest level and win championships, then this is the place you want to come, but if your looking for an easy paycheck at Club Herm, then you need to go else where!

Besides no respectable GM or GM canidate wants to come and babysit Herm... He will want to bring in his own people to build upon. Thats just the way it goes, it has nothing to do with negative message sent around the league, its just business....

Your last point is finally something I can agree with. He is a mediocre coach. Not the horrible one people present him to be.

I can only hope that during the interview this exchange takes place

Clark: OK if not herm who?

Potential GM: ______________(insert name )
Clark: Fine that's the direction we wil pursue if that's what it takes to get this done.

I can dream:shrug: