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prhom 02-10-2009 07:12 PM
The best analogy I can think of for why I don't want to draft a quarterback and stick with Thiggy for now is this:

The Chiefs drafting a QB is like buying a $3000 set of rims to put on a $500 chevy cavalier.

Why waste the money and time drafting a QB when they aren't going to make your team any better? Thigpen has the ability to overcome the weaknesses of our o-line (read: the boy can run!). Sure he may not be as good behind an awesome line as Croyle or Sanchez or any other QB crush people have, but he has shown that he can at least make the defense pay for strictly playing pass or run.

doomy3 02-10-2009 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5477581)
....You guys have bad reading comprehension skills.
How do you figure? You're speaking out of both sides of your mouth on this argument.

dirk digler 02-10-2009 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5477572)
But, he had a bad OL, and the playcalling was bad, and the QB coach is an idiot, and....
I agree

stevieray 02-10-2009 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5477572)
But, he had a bad OL, and the playcalling was bad, and the QB coach is an idiot, and....
which of those isn't true?

Mecca 02-10-2009 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5477589)
But how can you argue that he looked better as a tackle because he was playing in a spread. It's what you just said. Same could be said for Loadholt, etc.
I'm not telling you he looks better as a tackle I'm telling you he has very little experience at an entire facet of the game.

He's very athletic and is a very good pass blocker but never run blocking to me would immediately catch my attention. NFL OT's have to be able to run block.

To take a OT in the top 10 he should be good at all facets of the game.

SAUTO 02-10-2009 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5477566)
I can't believe I'm actually watching people say that running the spread helps your OL when it leaves them unprotected..

Is this bizarro world?

It's one of the reasons I have serious questions about a guy like Jason Smith being rated so high as an OT, yes he's athletic, yes he can pass block but he literally never lines up with his hand on the ground and has very little experience run blocking or drive blocking.
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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5477575)
:spock:

So, what you're saying is that Jason Smith looked like a better OT than he was because he was in a spread offense?
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5477578)
No I'm telling you he has very little experience doing something that NFL teams will expect him to do.
now you have said here that smith is rated high,why is he rated high? his pass blocking. you dont agree with his rating because he's from the spread. thats the reason he's rated high. so the spread made him look better than what in your opinion he is. right?

Just Passin' By 02-10-2009 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5477591)
If he could have put up decent 2nd halfs at all they'd have won some more games...
How much of that is on the quarterback and how much of that is on the other players and the coaches?

OnTheWarpath15 02-10-2009 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 5477573)
how many sacks did oklahoma give up this year? would you want to draft their LT in the first round? 2 nd?
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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5477575)
:spock:

So, what you're saying is that Jason Smith looked like a better OT than he was because he was in a spread offense?
Shutting down some slapdick in college and doing it successfully against the best of the best in the NFL are different things.

Mecca 02-10-2009 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by prhom (Post 5477593)
The best analogy I can think of for why I don't want to draft a quarterback and stick with Thiggy for now is this:

The Chiefs drafting a QB is like buying a $3000 set of rims to put on a $500 chevy cavalier.

Why waste the money and time drafting a QB when they aren't going to make your team any better? Thigpen has the ability to overcome the weaknesses of our o-line (read: the boy can run!). Sure he may not be as good behind an awesome line as Croyle or Sanchez or any other QB crush people have, but he has shown that he can at least make the defense pay for strictly playing pass or run.
....way to undervalue the most important position on the team.

SAUTO 02-10-2009 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5477592)
:spock:

IIRC, (I was there) we held Peyton and Company to NINE points in the 1st half in 2006. Only giving up 23 for the game was a miracle, considering the defense was on the field the entire game.

We held Denver to 14 points in 1997.

You can bitch about the Indy home game, and that's it.
damn Trent Green(who we were talking about) was on the team in 1997?

stevieray 02-10-2009 07:15 PM
They won't win any games!
They shoulda won some more games!

:rolleyes:

Reaper16 02-10-2009 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5477589)
But how can you argue that he looked better as a tackle because he was playing in a spread. It's what you just said. Same could be said for Loadholt, etc.
That isn't what he said. He said that Smith, because of college scheme, wasn't asked to do some of the run blocking things that will be required of him in the pros.

Mecca 02-10-2009 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 5477599)
now you have said here that smith is rated high,why is he rated high? his pass blocking. you dont agree with his rating because he's from the spread. thats the reason he's rated high. so the spread made him look better than what in your opinion he is. right?
Uh no he's rated high because he's athletic, BEING FROM THE SPREAD MEANS HE HAS LITTLE EXPERIENCE RUN AND DRIVE BLOCKING WHICH DRAWS A FLAG FROM ME.

Jesus Christ is this really hard to understand?

SAUTO 02-10-2009 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5477602)
Shutting down some slapdick in college and doing it successfully against the best of the best in the NFL are different things.
the spread makes them look the part though, i dont see how you 2 dont get this

Mecca 02-10-2009 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 5477610)
That isn't what he said. He said that Smith, because of college scheme, wasn't asked to do some of the run blocking things that will be required of him in the pros.
Look at that a man who understands a logical point.


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