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Mecca 02-22-2009 08:24 AM

I bet KCJohnny has positive repped him 500 times by now.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-22-2009 08:34 AM

That should do it.

Pioli Zombie 02-22-2009 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5515100)
So you'd either spend a top 3 pick on a LT when we already have a franchise LT, or you'd draft a cover backer with a top 3 pick, and you wonder why you were called a reerun?

I guess that makes most every publication and analyst in the country and most chiefs fans reeruns too.

Btw. I've seen your powerful negative reps. But they have been overshadoed by many more greens that appreciate that I'm not backing down from your romper room style of "debate".

Many teams draft multiple OL and switch them around. You not only improve your left tackle you improve right tackle or left guard if albert moves back there. You draft a stud center later or sign a FA and you got an awesome line to build out from. Have a strong OL you will have an offense that controls the game and helps the defense.

You act like you've never heard this before


All things. Being said if he drafts the qb I'll trust his judgement
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kstater 02-22-2009 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie (Post 5515126)
I guess that makes most every publication and analyst in the country and most chiefs fans reeruns too.

Btw. I've seen your powerful negative reps. But they have been overshadoed by many more greens that appreciate that I'm not backing down from your romper room style of "debate".

Many teams draft multiple OL and switch them around. You not only improve your left tackle you improve right tackle or left guard if albert moves back there. You draft a stud center later or sign a FA and you got an awesome line to build out from. Have a strong OL you will have an offense that controls the game and helps the defense.

You act like you've never heard this before


All things. Being said if he drafts the qb I'll trust his judgement
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Name all these "many" teams that spend more than 1 top 15 pick on the OL and switch them around. To further that, name a successful team that does it.

58-4ever 02-22-2009 08:51 AM

I'd love to see us trade down and grab Sanchez, but I don't think other teams will allow us to do it. If the potential and the tools are there, I don't see why a good coaching staff can't develop a talent like Sanchez. I wouldn't be upset if we took him at 3.

Aaron curry, however, would upset me a bit.

Pioli Zombie 02-22-2009 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by kstater (Post 5515130)
Name all these "many" teams that spend more than 1 top 15 pick on the OL and switch them around. To further that, name a successful team that does it.

The 90s cowboys switched linemens roles all the time. Patriots too.

Name me college qbs who looked liked stiffs as often as stafford and suddenly became great in the pros just because the teams the teams fanbase wished it so

Sanchez actually has more upside although mecca turned me off him by comparing him to bledsoe.

I just don't get why you guys get so unraveled by the idea it might not be a qb. Its football. Lighten up.
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milkman 02-22-2009 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie (Post 5515141)
The 90s cowboys switched linemens roles all the time. Patriots too.

Name me college qbs who looked liked stiffs as often as stafford and suddenly became great in the pros just because the teams the teams fanbase wished it so

Sanchez actually has more upside although mecca turned me off him by comparing him to bledsoe.

I just don't get why you guys get so unraveled by the idea it might not be a qb. Its football. Lighten up.
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The question was "Name all these 'many' teams that spend more than 1 top 15 pick on the OL and switch them around. To further that, name a successful team that does it."

How many of those Patriot and Cowboy lineman were top 15 picks?

Or just for the hell of it, forget top 15.
How about just first round picks?

kstater 02-22-2009 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5515173)
The question was "Name all these 'many' teams that spend more than 1 top 15 pick on the OL and switch them around. To further that, name a successful team that does it."

How many of those Patriot and Cowboy lineman were top 15 picks?

Or just for the hell of it, forget top 15.
How about just first round picks?

For shits and giggles, I went and looked at the Cowboys draft history. The last time the Cowboys drafted OL in the 1st round PERIOD was 1980 and 81, with the 26th and 27th picks respectively.

The 91 and 92 Patriots selected a Tackle at 11th and 13th. However in 91 the Patriots had two 1st round picks. And the '92 pick wasn't even on the roster in 95. And the '91 pick wasn't on the roster in 96. Neither helped the Patriots reach the Super Bowl.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-22-2009 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie (Post 5515126)
I guess that makes most every publication and analyst in the country and most chiefs fans reeruns too.

Btw. I've seen your powerful negative reps. But they have been overshadoed by many more greens that appreciate that I'm not backing down from your romper room style of "debate".

Many teams draft multiple OL and switch them around. You not only improve your left tackle you improve right tackle or left guard if albert moves back there. You draft a stud center later or sign a FA and you got an awesome line to build out from. Have a strong OL you will have an offense that controls the game and helps the defense.

You act like you've never heard this before


All things. Being said if he drafts the qb I'll trust his judgement
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Look at this.
Look at how stupid you are.

This has been explained so many goddamned times on here its preposterous.

Coogs 02-22-2009 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie (Post 5514790)
Although I would enjoy it to see the #3 traded down just to hear the wailing and crying the hot topic in new england is a rumor of the chiefs trading their 2nd round pick (35) and first in 2010 for Cassel which would make heads explode too. If the chiefs did that who would you then pick with the #3?
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To many great football players in next years first round on defense for Pioli to make this trade.

kstater 02-22-2009 09:56 AM

I guess I offended Pioli Stuffer with my insults of facts and history.

Just Passin' By 02-22-2009 10:03 AM

Different teams approach the draft from different angles. The Steelers draft offensive linemen in the first round quite a bit, for example. I'm not exactly sure how these different approaches make anyone here brilliant or reeruned, but there is no uniform approach to the draft.

kstater 02-22-2009 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 5515221)
Different teams approach the draft from different angles. The Steelers draft offensive linemen in the first round quite a bit, for example. I'm not exactly sure how these different approaches make anyone here brilliant or reeruned, but there is no uniform approach to the draft.

Steelers have taken 4 OL in the first round in the last 15 years. All with the exception of Otah(19) last year have been in the 28-30 range.

Just Passin' By 02-22-2009 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by kstater (Post 5515232)
Steelers have taken 4 OL in the first round in the last 15 years. All with the exception of Otah(19) last year have been in the 28-30 range.

They can't exactly take them #1 when they aren't picking there. As I said, different teams take different approaches. The Patriots build from the defensive line first, so you see Wilfork, Seymour and Warren going in the first. The Cowboys trade their first round picks a lot but, when they keep the picks, they tend to focus on defense. With Manning to build around and the concept being "Get ahead and then pressure the opponent with speed", the Colts focus more on the offensive side of the ball and grab their defenders a bit later on.

It's really just a matter of team approach. The "top 15" part of the argument is a loaded question, because any team consistently drafting in the "top 15" is a team that you don't want to follow anyway, usually because they draft poorly along with everything else. Thus, the "top 15" argument really says "do teams that suck draft OL and then move them around?".

Or, to put it another way..... Irregardless of the actual player picked, when Millen was still running the show in Detroit, did you have more faith in Millen drafting in the top 10 or in NE, Pitt, Bal and Ind drafting at the bottom of the round?

The Bad Guy 02-22-2009 10:28 AM

Yes, let's move Albert. Let's move the one good thing we had last year on the offensive line into a position we don't know how well he'll play or adjust to.

While we are at it, let's move Tony Gonzalez to RT. He can block well and it's easier to get TEs - especially with how fast they ran yesterday.

I wish someone would go Chris Brown on Pioli Zombie already.


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