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FAX 03-09-2009 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5568446)
You have to agree, however, that it's not difficult to see the parallels in this particular situation.

Team in position to draft a talent QB early in the draft, and the GM elects to go with a known commodity. It's remarkable, frankly, how long this organization has gone without drafting a QB in round 1. Remarkable.

Now, Pioli brings the jewelry, and this means an awful lot. An awful lot, but still...

I certainly agree that the circumstances are similar. But it's like pitting the Blind Boys of Alabama vs. a Navy Seal team in a Capture The Flag contest.

You know, NFL teams don't spend high draft picks on young quarterbacks because they want to. They draft them because they have to. If they already had someone who was capable of leading the team to victories, winning seasons, and playoff berths for the next 10 years, they'd draft another position.

FAX

DeezNutz 03-09-2009 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX (Post 5568462)
I certainly agree that the circumstances are similar. But it's like pitting the Blind Boys of Alabama vs. a Navy Seal team in a Capture The Flag contest.

You know, NFL teams don't spend high draft picks on young quarterbacks because they want to. They draft them because they have to. If they already had someone who was capable of leading the team to victories, winning seasons, and playoff berths for the next 10 years, they'd draft another position.

FAX

That's probably a very apt analogy, and I hope it remains so.

Not sure about the second part, though. Denver is a good example. Plummer, assuming he didn't go flaky, was capable of winning and getting a team into the playoffs. This didn't sway the Rat.

kc rush 03-09-2009 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX (Post 5568439)
Pioli kicks Peterson's ass in every conceivable category (with the possible exception of the Sheer Incompetence Competition).

I guess it's going to take Chiefs fans and the media more time than I initially realized to come to grips with the fact that we aren't the same organization any longer.

FAX

How many USFL rings does Pioli have? Scoreboard Carl! /Mojo Jojo

FAX 03-09-2009 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5568476)
... Not sure about the second part, though. Denver is a good example. Plummer, assuming he didn't go flaky, was capable of winning and getting a team into the playoffs. This didn't sway the Rat.

I would counter by saying that there are always variables that might affect a decision to draft an "elite" quarterback prospect. The mental stability of the current quarterback and/or the working relation between that quarterback and the coaching staff are just two of these.

It's conceivable, of course, that a team might use a high pick to draft a quarterback for developmental purposes. However, that's extremely unusual when the team actually believes they already have a guy with 8 to 10 years of solid leadership and winning left in him.

My point is this; why should the Chiefs (or any team, for that matter) draft a young quarterback if and when they honestly believe there's another guy out there who, A) Has already had NFL experience, B) Proven he can win, C) Has a good working relationship with the GM, D) Is a "known" quantity, and E) Is young enough to lead for the better part of a decade? Add the fact that, in our case, quarterback is just one of the positions of need since the team is full of holes on both sides of the ball, and you have yourself a ding dang answer as to why Pioli did what he did.

The problem we (Chiefs fans) have is that the vast majority of Carl's moves in player acquisition (since DT) turned out poorly. Carl was GM. Pioli is GM. Chiefs fans automatically assume that, if Pioli did something reminiscent of Carl, the results will be similar. It's understandable, but it's an example of cognitive dissonance. These are different circumstances merely because the participants are different.

FAX

BigRock 03-09-2009 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan (Post 5568417)
I'm saying this "bargain" wasn't had for Vrabel and the pick alone. Oh they can work the paperwork however they please, but two more NE cap-relief acquisitions right behind Vrabel?

Come on man; wake up.

Are you talking about CJ Jones and Darrel Robertson? Because neither of those guys have any impact on the Pats' salary cap.

LOCOChief 03-09-2009 03:27 PM

This is the beginning of the end for fatass in kc, I've been waiting a long long time for this. My family will celebrate with even more vigar than we did when cp was shitcannned.

Hammock Parties 03-09-2009 04:06 PM

http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/s...pioli_bill.jpg

Sweet Daddy Hate 03-09-2009 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRock (Post 5568542)
Are you talking about CJ Jones and Darrel Robertson? Because neither of those guys have any impact on the Pats' salary cap.


Irregardless, they free up roster space for new talent.

Hammock Parties 03-09-2009 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan (Post 5568591)
Irregardless

WHAT THE ****, HOLMES?

Sweet Daddy Hate 03-09-2009 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 5568613)
WHAT THE ****, HOLMES?

Ruh?

SenselessChiefsFan 03-09-2009 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan (Post 5568591)
Irregardless, they free up roster space for new talent.

These guys weren't traded for. They were free agents. The Pats were not using roster space for these guys. These are completely unrelated moves.

Mr. Flopnuts 03-09-2009 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 5568613)
WHAT THE ****, HOLMES?

No shit.

Mr. Flopnuts 03-09-2009 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan (Post 5568615)
Ruh?

Regardless. To irr is to err.

Sweet Daddy Hate 03-09-2009 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 5568617)
These guys weren't traded for. They were free agents. The Pats were not using roster space for these guys. These are completely unrelated moves.

So they were parking attendants?

Sweet Daddy Hate 03-09-2009 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 5568620)
Regardless. To irr is to err.

Meh.

To meh is to meh.


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