Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 9494365)

I'm the worst for pointing out that a division rival signed a difference maker for peanuts, while we signed scrubs for $2M a year less?

Ok.

I guess I'm already the worst in your eyes, so I'll go ahead and mention that we traded the 34th overall pick for a game manager QB in an effort to win now against the best QB in the game and his merry band of stud WR's.

One of the first sentences out of our new GM's mouth was that he wanted to "build through the draft."

Then he follows that up by getting rid of the 2nd most valuable pick we have, and in the process, completely devaluing the only 1st overall pick in team history.

You don't have a goddamn chance over the next two years with Manning at the helm, so build your ****ing team to be a ****ing dynasty when he retires. Instead, you're going to spend the two most valuable picks in franchise history on a RT and a game manager QB.

Awesome.

Originally Posted by notorious (Post 9494496)

Patriot fans should be pissed.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9494475)

You're really going to argue that Wes Welker has a physical skill-set that no other WR in the league can duplicate?

His first step is good - it's not great. He gets open because the routes he runs are brilliantly designed, not because he's just a damn wizard with his feet.

And you're honestly going to try to argue that a slot WR eliminates the pass rush? Wake me when we're putting Tamba Hali or Justin Houston on the slot WR.

That's just an ass-backwards argument. If anyone eliminates the pass-rush in NE, it's Rob Gronkowski, who does occupy LBs. Wes Welker does little more than draw the attention of overmatched Nickle corners. In that regard, he's no different than any slot WR; even Steve Breaston in the slot was getting teams to take a LBer off the field and bring in a nickle DB.

But hey, I respect the attempt to spin your way clear of a bullshit statement.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9494480)

Of course they were designed to get to him. Just as pass after pass after pass was forced into him.

A check-down isn't any worse than a designed 7 yard dump.

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 9494518)

Draft the best possible pass rusher and put that mother****er in on 2nd and 3rd down with Tamba and Houston.

That's really the only option now.

Originally Posted by Exoter175 (Post 9494402)

Wes Welker is and has been the most dangerous and productive receiver in this league. He is not a possession receiver like Johnson, or Green, he is a slot receiver. He is small, and he gets wide open better than anyone in this league, and Tom Brady and the Patriots utilized that to the fullesct extent while Welker was there.

Because of this, they were able to eliminate the pass rush, created more first downs as an offense by comparison to your other receiver's teams did against common opponents, won more often, and put up more points.

It is because of Welker's skill of getting open, that Brady and that offense could do what it did against the pass rush, neutralizing pro bowlers and future hall of famers, so they could win games.

Calvin Johnson doesn't eliminate the pass rush, neither does AJ Green, Julio Jones, Roddy White, or Brandon Marshall.


You are closed minded, and thinking inside the box.

You think my claim is based on pure talent, it isn't. AJ Green is the best receiver in this league in terms of talent, period. Calvin is #2, Fitz is #3.

Those three can't touch Welker's skills at getting open in the slot to eliminate the pass rush.

Of course, you didn't think of it that way, because you don't think about the big picture.

People here are saying, "Oh, we just need to hit manning and hurt his neck to neutralize him and Welker", you won't get a chance to hit manning because he'll have already thrown the ball to Welker because he was wide open because you blitzed him and didn't cover Welker.

Originally Posted by Exoter175 (Post 9494517)

You don't get it, you really don't. I can't explain a philosophy to you if you lack the ability to see the WHOLE picture.

Wes Welker is the best slot receiver to ever play. One of the best receivers to ever play, period.

Lets just leave it at that, or you'll have serious trouble trying to keep up.



So then you do realize that a play designed to go 7 yards, with a release of seconds after the ball is snapped, which eliminates the rush, is a strength of someone who can get open in that time?

I'm glad you agree that Wes Welker is ****ing awesome and just because a huge boost for the Broncos who do not have a slot receiver with the same skillset, and have now eliminated our pass rush by the mere stroke of a pen.

Now get out.

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania (Post 9494513)

Nah ... Danny Amendola or whatever his name is out there. If they can keep their 2 TEs healthy and if they can get someone like Danny on board, lock up Edleman... they're crusing dude.

Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9494537)

ROFL, Calvin, Johnson, Green and Roddy have all lined up in the slot.

Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9494537)

ROFL, Calvin, Johnson, Green and Roddy have all lined up in the slot.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9494546)

Sweetheart - nothing you will ever say will be lost on me.

I'm not the one that wrote a check my ass can't cash. Yeah "Brilliant hands" from a guy that drops 10% of the passes that get go him.

C'mon, champ - explain to me how a goddamn slot WR keeps pass-rushers off the field. More critically, how a good one does so any more effectively than an average one would. What in Welker's skill set makes him so good at getting open? Nothing - that's what. He's just the benefactor of a spread out offense that creates intermediate zones and a QB that has the timing of his offense down to an art. Tom Brady throws Wes Welker open far more often than not.

Educate me on how a guy with a slightly above average first step is able to just open himself up within the first 2 steps of his route when the CB is giving him 4 steps of cushion. I'm here to suckle at the knowledge of a guy that thinks Wes Welker should be mentioned in the same breath as Jerry !@#$ing Rice.

And really, you should put this down as some sort of position paper because the entire NFL fails to see your brilliance here. Surely such a deadly weapon would garner more than $6 million on the open market.

Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 9493446)

I love the fact that Denver is breaking the bank on a bunch of old players. We play our cards right we could own this division for a decade if we build our team right.

Originally Posted by JD10367 (Post 9494029)

The Broncos will suffer the same fate if they worry too much about putting toys around an aging Peyton and not enough about getting the defense top-notch.