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DaneMcCloud 03-18-2013 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Sweet Dick Willie (Post 9512055)
Sweet Lord you are the biggest dildo this board has ever seen.
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Please point out the error(s) in his statement.

'Hamas' Jenkins 03-18-2013 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 9512141)
Andy Dalton was the QB who beat Wisconsin in the Rose Bowl. Kaepernick's last Nevada team was very good though, they were ranked most of the season. He passed for 3000/rushed for 1000.

But to be fair, if people knew how good Kaepernick was going to be... he wouldn't have went where he did. He did fall into a good place in SF though... he's surrounded by a ton of talent and they allowed him to run an offense he's used to.
People are applying revisionist history to Kaepernick. He was incredibly raw coming out and it was surprising he went as high as he did.

Saccopoo always loved him but that was absolutely not consensus, and he has a well-known bias towards college players in and around the Mormon belt.

Direckshun 03-18-2013 08:03 PM
It was not surprising Kaepernick went in the 2nd round. He was a physical wonder that teams always fall in love with, but he came from that goofy ass offense in Nevada.

It was surprising that the 49ers took him, however, since nobody ever pegged Harbaugh as a fan of running QBs.

It was even more surprising that he'd be this good, this fast.

But him going in the 2nd wasn't terribly surprising.

I wonder who drafted him in the CP Mock...

Sweet Daddy Hate 03-18-2013 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9512143)
Please point out the error(s) in his statement.
I'd much rather offer him an AIDS-filled Choco-Twinky.
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'Hamas' Jenkins 03-18-2013 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 9512150)
It was not surprising Kaepernick went in the 2nd round. He was a physical wonder that teams always fall in love with, but he came from that goofy ass offense in Nevada.

It was surprising that the 49ers took him, however, since nobody ever pegged Harbaugh as a fan of running QBs.

It was even more surprising that he'd be this good, this fast.

But him going in the 2nd wasn't terribly surprising.

I wonder who drafted him in the CP Mock...
Scott Wright had him as the #7 QB, behind Stanzi and Mallett
He wasn't in Mayock's top six
Walter had him at the sixth rated QB

Those are quick glances, easily findable on Google. He was largely thought of as a late second-early third rounder, not a high second.

milkman 03-18-2013 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by ChiefGator (Post 9511381)
I think you can safely hold onto that hope then.

My hope, personally, is that Smith continues to improve as a QB as he has done each year in the league. In the last two years he lost only 6 games out of 27 and threw 35 TD's against only 10 interceptions. Passer ratings of 90.7 and 104.1. Lead a team to the NFC championship and got a team in position for a Super Bowl run. So, that's my hope.

But if he doesn't.. I'm sure Reid and Dorsey will look elsewhere.
Alex Smith didn't lead a team anywhere.

He grabbed on to their asses and was pulled along as far as they could drag him.

Sweet Daddy Hate 03-18-2013 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9512164)
Alex Smith didn't lead a team anywhere.

He grabbed on to their asses and was pulled along as far as they could drag him.
The Donnie Edwards of QB's?
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ShortRoundChief 03-18-2013 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Guru (Post 9510472)
Tackles are not game changers. They don't win games for you. They don't take games over.

With pick 1:1 you get a game changer or you trade back.
That's a ****ing silly statement.

Are pass rushers game changers? By not allowing a de to blow up your qb, you are changing the game. Not to mention, running lanes etc.

A good offensive line has just as much to do with a win than a qb, probably more so.

'Hamas' Jenkins 03-18-2013 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by J Diddy (Post 9512184)
That's a ****ing silly statement.

Are pass rushers game changers? By not allowing a de to blow up your qb, you are changing the game. Not to mention, running lanes etc.

A good offensive line has just as much to do with a win than a qb, probably more so.
Must be why SB winning teams over the last several years have such dominant offensive lines, especially tackle play.

This argument has been thoroughly debunked.

keg in kc 03-18-2013 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by J Diddy (Post 9512184)
That's a ****ing silly statement.

Are pass rushers game changers? By not allowing a de to blow up your qb, you are changing the game. Not to mention, running lanes etc.

A good offensive line has just as much to do with a win than a qb, probably more so.
You only take a tackle #1 if he's Orlando Pace and there's literally nobody else in the draft.

Yes, pass rushers are game changers. Shut down corners are game changers. Wide receivers are game changers. I'd even take a legitimate star RB before I'd take a non-generational offensive tackle, and I'm one of the people who thinks it's silly to draft RBs before the middle rounds. I'd still pick that over a tackle.

And all of them are miles behind QB.

'Hamas' Jenkins 03-18-2013 08:19 PM
From December 2011:

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 8226368)
I should repost the list of SB Linemen of the last three years.

Besides, here are the starters on OL for the last six SB teams:

LT: Jermon Bushrod, Charlie Johnson, Jonathan Scott, Chad Clifton, Max Starks, Mike Gandy
LG: Carl Nicks, Ryan Lilja, Chris Kemoatu (x2), Daryn College, Reggie Wells
C: Jonathan Goodwin, Jeff Saturday, Doug Legursky, Scott Wells, Justin Hartwig, Lyle Sendlein
RG: Jahri Evans, Kyle DeVan, Ramon Foster, Josh Sitton, Darnell Stapleton, Deuce Lutui
RT: John Stinchcomb, Ryan Diem, Flozell Adams, Brian Bulaga, Levi Brown, Willie Colon

Of those 29 players there are six Pro Bowlers:

Chad Clifton, Flozell Adams (who was a shell of himself at this point; it was his last year in the NFL), John Stinchcomb (played one more year after his SB appearance), Carl Nicks, Jahri Evans, Jeff Saturday

6/29, barely over 20%. If you count Kemoatu twice, then it's really 6/30, basically one PBer per line, and that assumes that guys like Adams and Stinchcomb were playing at a Pro Bowl level at that point in their career, and the truth was they were anything but.

tk13 03-18-2013 08:21 PM
I think tackles are important. Probably more important than we act on here... because everyone is so QB focused. Willie Roaf took the Chiefs to another level offensively... it's an important position. There are plenty of instances of Super Bowl teams having 1st round LTs.

The catch is we already had two good tackles, and a 1st round LT.

keg in kc 03-18-2013 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 9512206)
The catch is we already had two good tackles, and a 1st round LT.
That there's a good point.

Hootie 03-18-2013 08:22 PM
I figured when he was tagged he would be traded.

Hopefully we get a 2nd and a 4th.

Honestly, whatever. Still hoping we can trade down even if we do trade Albert.

'Hamas' Jenkins 03-18-2013 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 9512206)
I think tackles are important. Probably more important than we act on here... because everyone is so QB focused. Willie Roaf took the Chiefs to another level offensively... it's an important position. There are plenty of instances of Super Bowl teams having 1st round LTs.

The catch is we already had two good tackles, and a 1st round LT.
Not nearly as often as there used to be.

In a league where DBs can't be physical with receivers, pass catchers get better, cleaner releases, which gets them open sooner, which obviates the need for several seconds of pass protection.


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