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O.city 07-20-2013 02:25 PM

Smith can't be the guy he was the last two years. He's in a completely different system that likely won't let him be just that.


He'll either be really good, or bad. I don't think there's much chance he'll be just "mediocre". Typically, Andy Reid offenses don't allow QB's to just get by without much notice, like Cassel did for the most part in 2010.

We'll find out soon enough about Alex Smith. There's no hiding him here.

Which, IMO, is a good thing. I also don't think this front office will have any problems about moving on from him when/if he isn't what they want him to be.

O.city 07-20-2013 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9823405)
Smith can't be the guy he was the last two years. He's in a completely different system that likely won't let him be just that.


He'll either be really good, or bad. I don't think there's much chance he'll be just "mediocre". Typically, Andy Reid offenses don't allow QB's to just get by without much notice, like Cassel did for the most part in 2010.

We'll find out soon enough about Alex Smith. There's no hiding him here.

Which, IMO, is a good thing. I also don't think this front office will have any problems about moving on from him when/if he isn't what they want him to be.

And it's for this reason why I'm not that keen on comparing this to the Cassel situation.

There won't be any learning curve, adjustment period etc. It's on Smith from day 1, sink or swim.

duncan_idaho 07-20-2013 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9823404)
I think it's almost a lock that he gets extended because Reid and Dorsey brought him in because they actually valued what Alex Smith has been the last two years. They looked at those results and thought, "That's good enough."

This should scare the **** out of everyone.

What, you don't like being "good enough" at the most important position on the field?

O.city 07-20-2013 02:29 PM

I don't think they thought "thats good enough", I think (hope) they thought, "that will do for now".

DeezNutz 07-20-2013 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 9823409)
What, you don't like being "good enough" at the most important position on the field?

I was born in the KC area, so mediocrity should be my warm, safe place, but, alas, apparently I've been away long enough to develop different preferences.

Ming the Merciless 07-20-2013 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9823404)
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This should scare the **** out of everyone.

BOOM. Logic Bomb!

You SHOULD be scared....

Theres 2 possibilities here....

1)They nail it, and this plan works flawlessly (either ALex Smith becomes our QBOTF or we somehow use him to transition into one within 2 seasons, while maintaining the best parts of our team, without blowing it up and starting over.....) This will prove many wrong, and prove Reid, Dorsey and company geniouses...(Executive of the decade!)

2) They miss wildly on this one and it ripples through and ****s up our team for another 5 years of no playoff wins , and this regime is a bust.



Theres really not much middle ground because they didnt GIVE themselves any middle ground with this "win now with ALex Smith" type of all-in poker move.

DeezNutz 07-20-2013 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9823412)
I don't think they thought "thats good enough", I think (hope) they thought, "that will do for now".

While this is the optimistic view, two second-rounders state (strongly) otherwise.

O.city 07-20-2013 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9823416)
While this is the optimistic view, two second-rounders state (strongly) otherwise.

I probably agree.


However, again, I don't think they really think "thats good enough". I'd say they probably think he can be better here.


History says otherwise, but they're much more intelligent in terms of football (hopefully) than I am. So we'll see.

chiefzilla1501 07-20-2013 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower (Post 9823415)
BOOM. Logic Bomb!

You SHOULD be scared....

Theres 2 possibilities here....

1)They nail it, and this plan works flawlessly (either ALex Smith becomes our QBOTF or we somehow use him to transition into one within 2 seasons, while maintaining the best parts of our team, without blowing it up and starting over.....) This will prove many wrong, and prove Reid, Dorsey and company geniouses...(Executive of the decade!)

2) They miss wildly on this one and it ripples through and ****s up our team for another 5 years of no playoff wins , and this regime is a bust.



Theres really not much middle ground because they didnt GIVE themselves any middle ground with this "win now with ALex Smith" type of all-in poker move.

I don't understand. Why wouldn't there be any middle ground?

Why are people convinced that Reid and Dorsey, two guys who have brought in lots of QBs, wouldn't keep trying to bring in new QBs? Smith doesn't have a long-term deal. And the offense they're likely migrating to will probably be very friendly to college QBs.

DeezNutz 07-20-2013 02:44 PM

If this is the price they'll pay for a stopgap, the new regime demonstrates a reckless disregard for draft value.

nychief 07-20-2013 02:53 PM

the hand wringing over the comp for AS is silly at this point... he hasnt been extended... he was the best QB available and we had to start some one. The all or nothing point of view is foolish.

at this point, we might want to just, ya know, see how this works out.

chiefzilla1501 07-20-2013 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9823422)
If this is the price they'll pay for a stopgap, the new regime demonstrates a reckless disregard for draft value.

Completely disagree.

This team HAS to start winning again. They have to get Arrowhead loud again. That will do wonders for recruiting new players and convincing their good players to stay. I get the feeling that Clark Hunt told Dorsey and Reid there is no 5-year plan. It has to start happening now.

And if Reid is serious about really exploring the spread and/or a read option and/or the Pistol, Smith allows Reid to maybe become an innovator. The amount Reid / Pederson can learn from tinkering this year will be very valuable.

Two 2nd round picks is high for a QB like Smith. But people are overreacting to how much we lost from it. If the Chiefs end up with a legit franchise QB within 3 years, those picks won't matter.

ShortRoundChief 07-20-2013 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9823422)
If this is the price they'll pay for a stopgap, the new regime demonstrates a reckless disregard for draft value.

If that is the case then you can pin that loss on SOC as well as their wins. What happened last year was a demonstration about how this fan base is win now or we'll get the pitchforks. They went after the best option to win now because that's what the fans flying the ****ing banners wanted.

Who knows if that is the plan or they think AS is the answer. I do know this: Unlike the previous regime this qb hasn't been extended without playing a snap.

Hammock Parties 07-20-2013 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by J Diddy (Post 9823429)
They went after the best option to win now because that's what the fans flying the ****ing banners wanted.

No it's not.

duncan_idaho 07-20-2013 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9823428)
Completely disagree.

This team HAS to start winning again. They have to get Arrowhead loud again. That will do wonders for recruiting new players and convincing their good players to stay. I get the feeling that Clark Hunt told Dorsey and Reid there is no 5-year plan. It has to start happening now.

And if Reid is serious about really exploring the spread and/or a read option and/or the Pistol, Smith allows Reid to maybe become an innovator. The amount Reid / Pederson can learn from tinkering this year will be very valuable.

Two 2nd round picks is high for a QB like Smith. But people are overreacting to how much we lost from it. If the Chiefs end up with a legit franchise QB within 3 years, those picks won't matter.

I hope they do. Being at LEAST mediocre with Alex Smith - and trading away those picks - makes that task harder, though. No way around that.


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