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listopencil 11-21-2016 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by listopencil (Post 12569670)

Didn't show up so I copied it and put it on Photobucket:

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o...0WestWorld.jpg

Buck 11-21-2016 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by listopencil (Post 12569683)
Didn't show up so I copied it and put it on Photobucket:

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o...0WestWorld.jpg

Yes. It's the same lady.

seaofred 11-21-2016 03:16 PM

Could they have multiple host that look the exact same?

KChiefs1 11-21-2016 04:49 PM

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Skyy God 11-21-2016 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by seaofred (Post 12569737)
Could they have multiple host that look the exact same?

It's more likely the Internet scuttlebut re William is true.

listopencil 11-21-2016 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by seaofred (Post 12569737)
Could they have multiple host that look the exact same?

I doubt it. There are much more intriguing questions/issues revolving around this particular host in the three roles we've seen her fill.

1st iteration, fake town with parasol: This establishes her as one of the oldest hosts so she's going to have the same potential as Dolores or Maeve.

2nd iteration, William's liaison into the park: Does she know that she's a host in this situation? She very obviously must have a working knowledge of the park and she gives William a vague answer when he asks her. Bernard had a romantic relationship with Theresa. Dolores is having a romantic relationship with William even though he knows she's a host and she does not. They can maintain complex alternative realities. There would be no reason for this iteration to think she's not a human being. In this iteration she is similar to Arnold, or any other hosts that may be working in the park (if there are any).

3rd iteration, in the park encountered by the MiB: Why is she there? Was she pulled in because she's one of the hosts with a sufficiently advanced enough personality matrix to pull off a major role in a narrative created by Ford? If she 'breaks' and recovers her knowledge of the park she can very possibly be a tremendous help to the MiB.

listopencil 11-21-2016 08:12 PM

The little girl is stuck in my head. She has been interacting with Dolores (and the MiB) in a way that isn't like a normal host. Towards the MiB she did speak in more of an 'in story' way though. With all of this insinuation of Ford playing god, Arnold seems to be the one who is really doing it. Acting as the voice of a god in a bicameral mind. If anything Arnold is God and Ford is Satan.

mr. tegu 11-21-2016 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by listopencil (Post 12570204)
I doubt it. There are much more intriguing questions/issues revolving around this particular host in the three roles we've seen her fill.

1st iteration, fake town with parasol: This establishes her as one of the oldest hosts so she's going to have the same potential as Dolores or Maeve.

2nd iteration, William's liaison into the park: Does she know that she's a host in this situation? She very obviously must have a working knowledge of the park and she gives William a vague answer when he asks her. Bernard had a romantic relationship with Theresa. Dolores is having a romantic relationship with William even though he knows she's a host and she does not. They can maintain complex alternative realities. There would be no reason for this iteration to think she's not a human being. In this iteration she is similar to Arnold, or any other hosts that may be working in the park (if there are any).

3rd iteration, in the park encountered by the MiB: Why is she there? Was she pulled in because she's one of the hosts with a sufficiently advanced enough personality matrix to pull off a major role in a narrative created by Ford? If she 'breaks' and recovers her knowledge of the park she can very possibly be a tremendous help to the MiB.

I think this blonde host could easily be sent by Ford to encounter the MiB. For whatever reason he chose her but that seems very plausible and doesn't require the alternate timeline. Perhaps it's because Ford is altering host narratives as the MiB advances so it requires him inserting new obstacles in the form of reassigned hosts.

mr. tegu 11-21-2016 10:20 PM

Maev referenced Arnold so she accessed his information from somewhere. Is that hidden in her code and she just now accessed it? Or did she just happen to come across the name in archives or something?

listopencil 11-21-2016 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 12570691)
I think this blonde host could easily be sent by Ford to encounter the MiB. For whatever reason he chose her but that seems very plausible and doesn't require the alternate timeline. Perhaps it's because Ford is altering host narratives as the MiB advances so it requires him inserting new obstacles in the form of reassigned hosts.

Darn it, I keep typing 'Arnold' when I mean 'Bernard.' I meant that she filled a role similar to the one that Bernard has been filling. A host impersonating an employee. But, yes, I agree with you. I would say that I don't think there is anything in the show that requires multiple timelines to explain and I'll be disappointed if it gets thrown in as a plot device.

BleedingRed 11-22-2016 10:21 AM

My idea is the Arnold and Benard are one in the same, follow my logic here.

Arnold seems to be an amazing coder as compared to ford. Ford for year programmed the Hosts with "Gates" in their CPU's (brains) to keep Arnold code at bay. Yet the more he programmed them to be life like the more Arnold code has broken out. (at least this is what I think ford thinks)

Benard is Arnold in the sense that his conciseness was downloaded into Benard. And Benard has been subconsciously programming/sending information to his older units 47 (possibly)

This explains why Benard either killed or captured his girl asst. when she found out someone was sending information out of the park. Benard AKA Arnold, knew he could use Thersa as a cover for his real goal of updating these hosts and continuing his work to develop AI.

Ford does not know that Benard has been doing this subconsciously because Benard doesn't know. Ford was telling the truth to Benard when he said hes never made him do something like this before. Because it wasn't him, it was Arnold.

Ford knows something is going on with these older units, yet they are older models made by Arnold so they cannot be tracked. He knows they exist, and are causing problems. So he is developing a narritive to find "Wyatte", and the other "Hosts" that have evolved. (hints why they don't die when shot by other hosts)

Little does he know but Mavee = Wyatte, and her "Army" is the other Host's that Arnold made with updated Code provided by Benard/Arnold so that Ford can not track or control them.

Crazy I know, what do you think?

Beef Supreme 11-22-2016 11:31 AM

My co-worker is convinced Bernard is Arnold. Could be.

bowener 11-22-2016 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 12571384)
My idea is the Arnold and Benard are one in the same, follow my logic here.

Arnold seems to be an amazing coder as compared to ford. Ford for year programmed the Hosts with "Gates" in their CPU's (brains) to keep Arnold code at bay. Yet the more he programmed them to be life like the more Arnold code has broken out. (at least this is what I think ford thinks)

Benard is Arnold in the sense that his conciseness was downloaded into Benard. And Benard has been subconsciously programming/sending information to his older units 47 (possibly)

This explains why Benard either killed or captured his girl asst. when she found out someone was sending information out of the park. Benard AKA Arnold, knew he could use Thersa as a cover for his real goal of updating these hosts and continuing his work to develop AI.

Ford does not know that Benard has been doing this subconsciously because Benard doesn't know. Ford was telling the truth to Benard when he said hes never made him do something like this before. Because it wasn't him, it was Arnold.

Ford knows something is going on with these older units, yet they are older models made by Arnold so they cannot be tracked. He knows they exist, and are causing problems. So he is developing a narritive to find "Wyatte", and the other "Hosts" that have evolved. (hints why they don't die when shot by other hosts)

Little does he know but Mavee = Wyatte, and her "Army" is the other Host's that Arnold made with updated Code provided by Benard/Arnold so that Ford can not track or control them.

Crazy I know, what do you think?

I think Maeve is in the present time, and is one of Arnold's originals possessing unique coding that aids the emergence of sentient thought. I think she is going to wreck the park. I think Dolores is Wyatt in the present (and has been part of a story loop all along... just 30 years ago). The Wyatt story is based on a real event (according to Ford when programming present day Teddy).

Rest of thoughts in spoiler.
Spoiler!

bowener 11-22-2016 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefTablet (Post 12571555)
My co-worker is convinced Bernard is Arnold. Could be.

I think he may be a mechanical representation of Arnold. However, I have been growing increasingly curious if Arnold is an actual human being. Could Arnold be a computer program or Ford's first creation that became sentient. Maybe Ford put his program into a body to help him with the park. Then Arnold killed himself burning the church down around himself.

Maybe he reprogrammed Arnold into current BernardV2.0, and we just have to wait until Arnold pops back up inside Bernard's mind.

Bowser 11-22-2016 12:59 PM

So another question -

Who were the people stalking up on MiB, Teddy, and Once Hot now Crazy Lady in the desert? Were those escaped hosts from Roman World and (Whatever Else) World? Hosts that have achieved sentience there come to free the hosts still trapped in Westworld? The big guy Teddy and MiB took down, there was a schematic for him on the wall of one of the working cubes earlier in the show....

(I ask because it looks like a Centurion pulling a sword as they close in on the three of them. A little out of place there, no?)


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