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milkshock 02-21-2023 12:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 16820545)
That's great in theory until you realize picking at the back of round one and teams don't just walk on LTs leaves with minimal option.

I swear some people seem to think we can just run out like the 6th best OT in the draft and Lucas Niang and the line won't take a hit.

If you trade obj you have some leverage to move up in round one


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mkp785 02-21-2023 01:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Chief Pagan (Post 16820540)
It's his life and his career and he's 100% entitled to do what he wants.

But I sort of think these players hold out not because an extra million is going to buy them more happiness in a bigger house...

But it is just the respect and pecking order of being the highest paid. Even if it doesn't last long.

The NFL is hard to predict and teams prospects can change over a three or four year contract.

That said.

For instance, I would not take a 20% pay raise if it meant working in the office every day and a lousy commute as opposed to remotely from home like I am now.

If I was going to be paid 50 million either way,

I wouldn't take a 20% pay raise to go from playing for a contender and blocking for Mahomes and the chance of more rings to some crappy team that's unlikely to ever see the playoffs.

Each to their own...
Nothing about OBJ makes me think that his opinion matches your own. He forced a trade out of Baltimore because he wanted to play LT (and get paid like one). He then turned down a 130m deal because he didn't get enough guaranteed money. Lastly, he didn't hire an agent till the last moment, and that be for a number of reasons but 1 of those reason most assuredly could be that he doesn't want to pay the agent a fee and will say "I want this amount, and won't play unless I get it"

Anything can happen but I don't think he'll be cutting any deals. If this happens, I think Veach will be the one to blink first and pay this guy like he's the best LT in the league....which he isn't.

MahomesMagic 02-21-2023 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by milkshock (Post 16820550)
If you trade obj you have some leverage to move up in round one


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That's probably what the plan is if Orlando doesn't sign.

WhawhaWhat 02-21-2023 07:54 AM
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Balto 02-21-2023 08:14 AM
I really hope Veach sticks to his offer and remembers just how bad OBJ was at times during the regular season. I’d say most of us were saying the original offer is way to high say mid season this year. OBJ was that up and down. With his performance the end of the season and playoffs I’d be ok with Veach’s original offer but otherwise tag/trade is the only option.

The Franchise 02-21-2023 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by milkshock (Post 16820550)
If you trade obj you have some leverage to move up in round one


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So you’re spending more draft capital on what amounts to a dart throw to protect your franchise QB. Seems smart.

Pasta Little Brioni 02-21-2023 08:30 AM
It's a shame this has to be mentioned on a board with what should be good football acumen...but MOST of the plays some of you are pissed about are the direct result of having a QB that won't give up on a play trying to make something happen and he ends up getting hit as a result. It's beyond pathetic to have to explain this to some of you ROFL

Lock him up and go repeat. This line was absolutely dominating in the playoffs....oh and by the way Mahomes was getting the ball out even quicker with the injury...amazing how those things coincide.

Also if you think the injury against the Jags was BECAUSE of Brown, you're an absolute Mongoloid that knows dick about football.

milkshock 02-21-2023 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16820707)
So you’re spending more draft capital on what amounts to a dart throw to protect your franchise QB. Seems smart.
If - and I appreciate it may be a big if, we can get into the top 15 with the ammo we have, we then may have a cheap franchise LT for the next 5 years. Which we can then parlay into keeping the key components on defense intact, plus probably hold onto JuJu should we wish.

Bl00dyBizkitz 02-21-2023 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brother (Post 16820718)
It's a shame this has to be mentioned on a board with what should be good football acumen...but MOST of the plays some of you are pissed about are the direct result of having a QB that won't give up on a play trying to make something happen and he ends up getting hit as a result. It's beyond pathetic to have to explain this to some of you ROFL

Lock him up and go repeat. This line was absolutely dominating in the playoffs....oh and by the way Mahomes was getting the ball out even quicker with the injury...amazing how those things coincide.

Also if you think the injury against the Jags was BECAUSE of Brown, you're an absolute Mongoloid that knows dick about football.
I'm cool with that. But the deal has to be reasonable, and I think OBJ is gonna want the bag instead.

htismaqe 02-21-2023 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16820068)
Well, and see here's where my own temper comes into play, because that whole thing pissed me right the **** off.

Brown pulled that shit because he thought he could force The Chiefs' hand, and I think that's really shitty. It's not operating in good faith, and I don't believe there's any other reasonable explanation for that action. And then his whole 'yeah, this isn't the season you want to go into with a back-up left tackle' comment.

Business, yeah, whatever, but operate in good faith.

If I was Veach (and we're all glad I'm not!) I would be looking to get rid of him just for that.

But at a reasonable, fair market value deal, he's fine. He's a middle of the road starting LT. If he's insisting on record setting money and all of it guaranteed, I'm tagging and trading.
Yeah, I get it. I just can't get myself to care. I'm not emotionally attached to players or offseason moves anymore.

I honestly don't care what they do with OBJ.

htismaqe 02-21-2023 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 16820175)
I'll be honest, I'm really warming to the non-exclusive tag. If we could get a couple of firsts for him, that'd be outstanding. Otherwise, we'd still have him for a year. Those both seem like great options.
I highly doubt anybody is giving up two firsts for Brown. In fact, I'd bet he won't even bring ONE first. If they trade him, I bet it's for a 2nd rounder.

Pasta Little Brioni 02-21-2023 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16820725)
Yeah, I get it. I just can't get myself to care. I'm not emotionally attached to players or offseason moves anymore.

I honestly don't care what they do with OBJ.
In Veach we trust at this point after the Hill deal

Sassy Squatch 02-21-2023 08:40 AM
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Yeah, I get it. I just can't get myself to care. I'm not emotionally attached to players or offseason moves anymore.

I honestly don't care what they do with OBJ.
https://youtu.be/ekL881PJMjI

The Franchise 02-21-2023 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by milkshock (Post 16820719)
If - and I appreciate it may be a big if, we can get into the top 15 with the ammo we have, we then may have a cheap franchise LT for the next 5 years. Which we can then parlay into keeping the key components on defense intact, plus probably hold onto JuJu should we wish.
The top 15? What picks do you think someone is trading us for OBJ? And how many of our picks are you trading away for the CHANCE at drafting a new LT?

We got OBJ for what was basically a 2nd round pick because he was on his rookie deal. Who is trading more than that for a guy who now absolutely needs a new deal?

And then you’re going to turn around, take those picks and use more of ours to trade up to take a guy who may or may not turn out to be better than OBJ….all so you can sign JuJu. Jesus ****ing Christ.

BigRedChief 02-21-2023 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brother (Post 16820734)
In Veach we trust at this point after the Hill deal
Yep

Has any player played out the 2nd year of being tagged by their team? Seems I remember most just sitting out a year. Then go wherever they want next year.


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