That O Line was monstrous. Harper and Novacek were very good.

Alex is much better than Geno. Get over it.

Alvin Harper was a complete disappointment after he left Dallas, and Novacek was nothing before he got to Dallas.

I maintain it was not Aikman but Charles Haley who ****ed Steve Young out of 2 super bowls.

The tide turned when the 49ers traded Charles Haley to Dallas after 1991. What followed were Dallas back-to-back super bowl wins in 1992 and 1993.

Charles Haley was the missing link that completed the Dallas Cowboys. His absence from the 49ers pass rush doubled the impact. The 49ers no longer had a dominant pass rush, and the Cowboys got one.

I remain convinced that the Steve Young would have 3 super bowl rings if George Siefert had not traded away Haley, and Aikman, Emmit and the Cowboys would be an afterthought with just 1 super bowl win in the 90s.

Just like you gloss over the positives with Alex Smith? :facepalm:

I ****ing hate Aikman,

But you guys are ****ing Silly calling him a game manager.

It was a different era. The Cowboys had the best run blocking line in history. Like
Like the 2003 Chiefs, they didn't throw the ball inside the 20.
They didn't have to.

I gave credit to Alex for his TD drive. Keep that up and homer GoChiefs will rise again.

People are young or just don't remember the pre wing-it-out 4000 yards per game passing era.

All the Cowboys did all 4th quarter was pound Emmit Smith up the middle. Pretty tough to get TDs and passing yards when you are running out the clock on another win.

I hate Aikman's guts, can't stand him as an analyst, but I am forced to give credit where due.

That's it, I hate Aikman so much, I'm joining you calling him a "game manager". It isn't true, but I love the sound of it, so I'm on board.

Troy Aikman -- "Hall of Fame Game Manager". I like it! :thumb:

Remember he lost his finger. Or part of it. That was not the case for most years in Dallas. Makes it much harder to catch.

He's in because the Cowboys won 3 superbowls with him.

And by the way, the Hall of Fame committee also voted in Joe Namath. A terrible QB.

So? Is Dallas the whole NFL now?Yes game manager. Dude averaged 13.75 touchdowns a season. He was a game manager.

Milkman agrees

Breaking Roger Staubach's records is no joke.

Dane. I know hes not ready to start. Everyone except JOHN IDZIK (jets gm with a hard on for him) knows he isn't ready to start. Unfortunately, Rex, Idzik, someone messed up and got Mark Sanchez killed last night, and because of that, Geno is going to get destroyed because his oline is garbage, and he has no receivers......Gonna be a rough rookie year for Geno......Doesn't mean hes trash.
Aikman might of been the most accurate qb in the history of the game.

He didn't have to put up elite numbers because his team was elite, but he could win games if he needed to. But having that Oline, and Emmitt Smith is a nice problem to have.

Wait, so its cool to follow a guy here that you swore you couldn't wait to stop talking about, and its uncool to follow a guy you like?

I think my work here is done.

STOP AGREEING WITH ME

Im cloning Aaron Rodgers......

Splitting hairs here admittedly.

Steve, DOES have three super bowl rings.

Just he has only ONE as a starter.

He was on the 88, and 89 teams.

Okay, carry on.

Maybe you, should stop agreeing with me.

I have stayed with my line of thinking throughout. You are the guy who cant decide which side of the street you want to stay on.

He's right. "Game manager" is only considered a bad thing on internet forums. You don't hear coaches or players putting a QB down for being a game manager. Trent Green pretty much summed up the professionals thinking on that subject yesterday.

Why, that's really big of you. You're all class.

heh heh

QB Mark Sanchez has an injured right shoulder and will not play THURS vs. PHI. His status is day-to-day

I've stated from the beginning that Axl is what he is:

Enough to make the flame and pit crew in the parking lot get wood. That's it. There will be no championship victories with Axl at the helm. That's good enough for some.

That must be nice.

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Not everyone considers game manager a blanket negative.

Aikman is the prototype of all that is well and good about a game manager on a solid team top to bottom.

I'd take Aikman every day of the week over a Favre, or even a Brees, especially on a team like Jimmy assembled.

Aikman never even sniffed 4000 yrds.

That was because that team destroyed everyone in the running game.

But Aikman had 300 yards in him when they needed it.

In fact he had 4 300-yard games in the playoffs and they won 3 of them. Should have won the 4th but the 49ers were incredibly lucky.

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...mTr00/gamelog/

Dan Marino and Dan Fouts say 'HI'...

It was a different era and the Cowboys run game and defense was nails. Aikman didn't have to throw as much. He was absolutely nails in the clutch of the playoffs though. Deadly accurate when he needed to be.
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Yep. Solid game manager.

Pretty much what I said I expected of Smith the day we acquired him.

Be calm
Be composed
Be accurate
Be clutch in the playoffs.

Never ****ing compare Alex Smith to Troy Aikman.

I should listen to you because. . .

http://i.imgur.com/6XhPpBg.jpg

Ouch

Wow. When Mark Sanchez owns you then you really suck.

Who's idea was it to make 7 a lucky number?

I always hated it.

That and the number 6 for qbs.

4000 yard seasons & QBs were rare as hen's teeth.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

What does Mark Sanchez have, 4 full seasons of starting NFL Qb experience? Geno is a rook and has yet to play in a game that ****ing matters. Ease up on the shit stick hombre...

Idiots who prefer "proven" vets like Smith over Geno will always be shoving the largest unicorn dildos up their asses in a rush to get off.

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Thank God we have Alex Smith and thank God we didn't draft Genot.

When he completed that pass while getting smacked in the mouth by Polamalu he showed something we have had in KC for a long time.

Leadership from the QB position.

Then he finished the 2 minute drill with a TD? We have been missing this for years and it's the most important thing for an NFL QB.

Geno doesn't have it in him and never will. Alex Smith earned more respect from his team mates on that one drive than Cassel did in three years.

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I also remember how that team looked when Emmitt Smith was having a contract dispute.

I don't... but I am suspecting the O was pretty rough?

Yeah, he held out, the Cowboys went 0-2, and Jerry Jones couldn't give him his money fast enough.

I have no dog in this fight.........Yes, Alex Smith guy, but I wasn't on the Geno Smith bashing train....


Geno Smith is a guy that a lot of people that are backpedaling right now wanted in the first round, and 1.1

You are the same guys that have been killing Eric Fisher for not looking like a stud immediately, yet, you guys are making a mockery of people who then were telling you that Geno Smith wasn't a good qb by making comparisons to Alex Smith, and to Mark Sanchez.

Mark Sanchez and Alex Smith are both game managers yes.

But, Andrew Luck, RG3, even Russell Wilson, didn't look as bad as Geno Smith has looked in this preseason.

The lesson here is when you blow your horn and pound your chest because you know more than other people, when that blows up in your face, be prepared to bathe in your own shit because you begged for it.

And hell, if Alex Smith crashes and burns, ill be bathing in my own shit as well.

It sucks, but own it.

Poor Geno. I just ****ing knew those NY Jets were gonna be a trainwreck and bring Geno down with them, whether he has potential at all or not. If he does, looks like it's gonna take some time...

Geno is mentally weak. Even if they were good he would fail in New York. He will take the media attacks personally.

Also, for all of you guys making excuses for Geno, make sure you don't rip people for making excuses for Alex because it's the same ****ing thing.

Hmm...I seem to remember Norv Turner doing that when he was coaching him.

But WTF does Norv know about Aikman, right?

Yup. Worst place to go in all of the NFL. The new York sinking titanics
I agree with both points. But, New York has killed several mentally weak qbs. But, there are other places with small markets that he could make it.

people don't want to hear it, but Aaron Rodgers is pretty mentally weak, or was, especially at first. He didn't take too well to interviews in Green Bay his first few seasons. Especially when people started questioning his toughness when he ended up on the IR his first two seasons.

Is it possible for your ignore list to exceed capacity?

I've been saying this for a couple of years now.

'Game Manager' became the TV tag that guys like Ryan and Pioli put on their shitty quarterbacks. It was a more television friendly way of saying 'shitty quarterback'.

It was also wildly inaccurate and it's unfairly turned that term into a pejorative.

Matt Schaub, Sam Bradford, Andy Dalton, Alex Smith - those guys are game managers. Those players make their teams exactly as good as they are. It's not a bad thing, it's just not a great thing to be.

There are gunslingers like Cutler and Romo - guys that can make their teams better some weeks, worse others.

Then there legitimately great QBs that just make their teams better every week.

The Schaub/Bradford/Dalton/Smith class isn't inferior to the Romo/Cutler class, it's just much different.

Alex Smith is a very good game manager. You'll win a lot of games with guys like that.

This guy just keeps getting worse and worse. Every year now, he is just starting to suck. Ironically, a lot of that has to do with the fact that Andre Johnson is hurt a lot, and getting old.

He never wins the big games ever either.

is it possible for you to be more of a tool, or is it possible for anyone outside of GoChiefs to give a shit about you?

Nah, prolly not. Carry on Jags troll.

Oline was fine..but the offense kept sputtering. Emmitt won the dispute after the Cowboys lost 2 games. They went on to win the Superbowl that year.

Schaub threw for 4K yards in a run-first offense while completing 64% of his passes.

I'll take that kind of suck every time.

People are just insane when it comes to QBs. Matt Ryan was a choking bitch that the Falcons shouldn't re-sign...until he wasn't anymore. Joe Flacco was considered an underachiever and a mediocre first round pick for years...until he won a couple playoff games.

People use the rear-view mirror almost exclusively when evaluating NFL Quarterbacks. It's really quite foolish.

Matt Schaub is a good NFL quarterback that does have the tools to win a championship. He beat a solid Cincinnati team in the first round last year then lost to a clicking Patriots offense despite scoring 28 points because he had the audacity to throw for only 340 yards and 2 TDs.

I would agree with this. He should really benefit from having Andre J. and Hopkins to throw to. He also has a top 10 rush O and defense to lean on. Is he a special QB? I'd say no... but he is easily in that next tier of good QBs.

Hmmm, well, hard to argue here. Can I chalk it up to insanity and the fact that I hate the state of texas in general?

Playing 9 games in domes minimum every year certainly helps cover for his physical limits.

There's not a whole lot of difference between qbs 5-15 to 18 in te league. One might offer a different skillet, but that's abou it

I'll say this much.. Schaub has been very inconsistent lately. Some games, he plays well... others, he craps up pretty badly. Very few QBs are consistently good anyway though.

definitely TRUTH.. :thumb:

I saw him throw a deep ball yesterday, where he looked like Matt Cassel, and I saw him take a sack very much like Alex Smith. I was like WOW.

oh yeah, man... people watch THEIR quarterback do something stupid every game and then act like no one else's QB would ever do something so shitty...

Yeah... right. :doh!:

http://wp.advancednflstats.com/airYardsStats.php

I think the above link agrees with you. But when you're talking about a game of inches, sometimes a small margin makes a big difference.

Thank God we have Alex Smith. Why, if it weren't for his toughness and leadership, we might still have Matt Cassel with his toughness and leadership.

That throwing the ball about, elusiveness in the pocket, and making multiple reads is just a bunch of hornswaggle, I say!

Alex Smith was fairly elusive in the pocket against Pittsburgh (like the 38 yard scramble). He also threw the ball around quite a bit. You didn't notice because your mind is closed tight.

Yep. Alex has been pretty elusive. Too often in SF, he would evade one rush (free or failed block) and start to run in another direction, but yet another failed block would occur to bring him down.

That poor, poor, super Quarterbacking God of our day...:drool:

Beg to differ.

Small difference between Eli or Flacco and Cutler or Romo?

Pffffffffffffft! :cuss:

Alex is physically mobile. It is the regular freeze ups/run into sacks that is the issue. If he threw the ball away more often instead of taking the designated sack, he would kill less drives. But he is no statue back there. He is still pretty young and fairly mobile when he goes. It is just the lack of consistent decisiveness.

And there in lies the frustration.

The glimpses......the teases.....

Honestly, no.

Situation and system are different, but all things being equal, no I don't think there is a whole lot of dig.

Put romo on some of those raven teams, he'd have a lot of success as well.

Question:

Romo QBs the Ravens in the last super bowl vs the 49ers.

Does he win it?

Alex Bad Ass Smith will have a great year.

Alex has had to run his ass off so far in PS games. Looks elusive to me, especially with a Big Run. Jeez people are just bitching because they have painted themselves in a corner hating the guy before he ever threw a FN pass. Anyone that doens't think his leadership has been Huge in the offseason has not been paying attention. Once the O-line gets it together- he will be cutting defenses apart like a surgeon.

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They don't get there with Romo. They don't beat the Broncos with Romo. Romo is prone to the Clutch INT.

Stop it.

And there is what separates JOE FLACCO, from the likes of Tony Romo, Matt Schaub.

Joe is constantly clutch, Romo constantly chokes.

Trick question, Romo's Ravens don't make it to the SB.