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Mr. Plow 02-08-2018 07:53 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 13407941)
Nah, Self would find a way to **** up in the E8
LMAO

Lzen 02-08-2018 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 13407798)
Charlie Moore.

If we start three freshman, that will be a disaster. We weren't even very good when we started the #1 and #3 picks in the draft in Wiggins and Embiid.

Dotson
Grimes
Langford (if we get him)

As a 1, 2 and 3 it would take a leap of faith to think we would be very good. I think Grimes is the only freshman next year that will start.

Charlie Moore is a Top 50 recruit with 1 year in the system, and will be 3 years older than Dotson. I would imagine he starts the year off as the PG, and if Dotson takes it from him eventually we would be in good shape.
Didn't Langford just score 63 points the other day? And you don't think he would be a starter?

Lzen 02-08-2018 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 13406383)
Oh how I hope and pray DeSousa returns! Dude is a baller
I can't even tell if you're joking anymore.

BigRedChief 02-08-2018 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 13407960)
Right now, here is who is scheduled to be at KU:

Newman*
Vick*
Azubuike*
Lightfoot
Garrett
Cunliffe
De Sousa
Moore
D. Lawson
KJ Lawson
Dotson
Grimes
McCormack

* Denotes possible or likely early departure.

Newman MIGHT come back if he believes that playing one more year can make him comfortable and allow him to play into the back end of the first round - which is doubtful, so he might just jump and go to Europe if the NBA doesn't want him.

Vick is still crazy athletic and can shoot - same situation as Newman.

Udoka has all of the natural talents you want in a big man. NBA shooting coaches can likely fix his shot better with him on the bench for 82 games than anyone in college can over a summer.

Having said that, none of these three guys are on any mock draft's radar. We could lose all of them or none of them. But it seems pretty clear Self expects at least one to be gone, since we are currently at our allotted scholarship number, and the team just offered Agbaji and is still recruiting Langford hard.

Also, Agbaji just picked up the KU offer and promptly scheduled an announcement for tomorrow (today) at 2:00 PM.
Vick aint leaving after this year. His value is at its lowest right now.

Newman might come back if he thinks it can get him into the first round.

Doke will be back. He isn't a 1st rounder because he needs to learn how to rebound better.

Help me out here, isn't Agbaji a 3 star recruit type that usually goes to Div.1 colleges like Mo State? I know Self saw him in person, so if KU offers I'm good with trusting Self but this is unusual, right?

Next years team looks like on paper, the deepest most talented team Self has had in a long time, agreed?

Buehler445 02-08-2018 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 13408054)
Vick aint leaving after this year. His value is at its lowest right now.

Newman might come back if he thinks it can get him into the first round.

Doke will be back. He isn't a 1st rounder because he needs to learn how to rebound better.

Help me out here, isn't Agbaji a 3 star recruit type that usually goes to Div.1 colleges like Mo State? I know Self saw him in person, so if KU offers I'm good with trusting Self but this is unusual, right?

Next years team looks like on paper, the deepest most talented team Self has had in a long time, agreed?
I've quit trying to guess. Diallo had no business entering the draft and he did it anyway. And dudes like him are why Silver is talking about changing the rules. Kids do weird stuff man.

BWillie 02-08-2018 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Lzen (Post 13408021)
Didn't Langford just score 63 points the other day? And you don't think he would be a starter?
If Langford comes, he starts and Grimes first off the bench. If not think Grimes starts. Now in March, maybe that is a different story. But Self generally doesn't like to start bunches of freshmen.

I imagine it looks like this

Moore
Vick/Newman (1 probably stays)
Grimes
D Lawson
Udoka

Prison Bitch 02-08-2018 03:35 PM
Grimes is starting. End of discussion regardless who comes.

CoMoChief 02-08-2018 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 13408010)
Tourney is a crapshoot anyway
Its really not.

Granted the best team doesn't always win, but it's certainly not a crapshoot.

I think a lot of Kansas fans tell themselves that due to all of their early rd exits in the tournament, thus trying to justify the team's failures.

It's been 10yrs since KU won their NC, and yes they advanced to a NC game 6 years ago in 2012, but that honeymoon period is long gone.

HolyHandgernade 02-08-2018 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 13409094)
Its really not.

Granted the best team doesn't always win, but it's certainly not a crapshoot.

I think a lot of Kansas fans tell themselves that due to all of their early rd exits in the tournament, thus trying to justify the team's failures.

It's been 10yrs since KU won their NC, and yes they advanced to a NC game 6 years ago in 2012, but that honeymoon period is long gone.
It depends on what one means by "crapshoot". If one means even a double digit seed has a really good chance to win it, then no.

If one means that the real difference between the elite teams isn't really that much in the age of the one and done, and, as the field condenses to be a majority of said teams, that any fortunate/ill fated bounce/shot/pass can leave you with a euphoric/cruel ending, then it absolutely is.

Being "favored" in the regionals often won't mean much if the other team si on fire. If you can't hit the ocean. If fouls are called tighter, or a key injury kills your chemistry.

But I have no doubt one of the really good teams will win it. They will probably be the regular season champion of their conference (as 7 of the past 10 champions were (Duke one year and the ultimate outlier UConn, twice). But which one of those? There is no certainty.

smithandrew051 02-08-2018 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 13408054)
Vick aint leaving after this year. His value is at its lowest right now.

Newman might come back if he thinks it can get him into the first round.

Doke will be back. He isn't a 1st rounder because he needs to learn how to rebound better.

Help me out here, isn't Agbaji a 3 star recruit type that usually goes to Div.1 colleges like Mo State? I know Self saw him in person, so if KU offers I'm good with trusting Self but this is unusual, right?

Next years team looks like on paper, the deepest most talented team Self has had in a long time, agreed?
Self likes a combination of immediate contributors and long term guys in his recruiting classes.

In 2014, we had Wiggins and Selden pegged as the immediate impact guys and Embiid/Frankamp/Greene/Mason were the long term guys. Embiid became an immediate impact and left, but Selden stayed so it evened out.

2015 was similar. Oubre and Alexander were the immediate contributors. Graham was more of the long term player.

Doing this allows Self to get better immediately and keep the cupboard loaded for the next few years. It’s a pretty smart play with a history of success for him. That’s my thought on today’s signing.

Yes, next year appears to be the most talented team on paper since 2010. That team was loaded:

Starters:
Sherron Collins
Tyshawn Taylor
Xavier Henry
Marcus Morris
Cole Aldrich

Bench:
Brady Morningstar
Elijah Johnson
CJ Henry
Tyrel Reed
Markieff Morris
Thomas Robinson
Jeff Withey

Forced Non Freshmen Redshirts:
Mario Little
Travis Releford

KC_Connection 02-08-2018 07:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 13408054)
Vick aint leaving after this year. His value is at its lowest right now.
Are you willing to concede that old bet on Vick early then?


Quote:
Newman might come back if he thinks it can get him into the first round.
Newman isn't getting drafted into the NBA. Doubt that will change after any season in his college career, but whether he comes back might depend on what Self can tell him about playing time next year.

Quote:
Doke will be back. He isn't a 1st rounder because he needs to learn how to rebound better.
He needs to learn to do everything better. And what he's actually got at in college (back to the basket scoring), the NBA has no use for. He'll be back for sure.

Prison Bitch 02-08-2018 09:02 PM
The last 100 UNC-dook games it's 50-50

Dook has scored 2 points more in that time.

I wish we had a basketball rival

ArrowheadHawk 02-08-2018 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 13409411)
The last 100 UNC-dook games it's 50-50

Dook has scored 2 points more in that time.

I wish we had a basketball rival
We should just play Kentucky every year.

Prison Bitch 02-08-2018 09:25 PM
Now UNC leads by 2

Lzen 02-09-2018 09:15 AM
I don't know much about these NBA mocks and which ones are reliable, but NBADraft.net has Vick as a late 2nd round pick as of a week ago.

KC_Connection 02-10-2018 01:48 PM
This is the worst half of basketball KU has played this year and that's saying a lot.

Meatloaf 02-10-2018 01:54 PM
They are in a super funk. Can't seem to do anything right. Total fail.

Mr_Tomahawk 02-10-2018 01:54 PM
We suck.

Can’t wait for this season to be over. This team needs to be purged for players who care.

O.city 02-10-2018 01:55 PM
Yeah another shit bird half

Svi has gone in the tank for some reason and every else looks like shit

smithandrew051 02-10-2018 01:55 PM
What exactly is Vick good at? I’m struggling to find a strength.

Meatloaf 02-10-2018 01:57 PM
Whatever Vick had/has, Svi has it too. WTF???

O.city 02-10-2018 01:58 PM
Missed a lot of open shots too

KC_Connection 02-10-2018 02:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 13411390)
What exactly is Vick good at? I’m struggling to find a strength.
Jumping. He has no real basketball skill and has no idea how to play the sport itself.

O.city 02-10-2018 02:16 PM
Now actually making shots but can’t get stops

KC_Connection 02-10-2018 02:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 13411387)
We suck.

Can’t wait for this season to be over. This team needs to be purged for players who care.
Yeah, I don't think it's going to hurt these guys to lose the B12 (and it very much looks like Tech will instead). You couldn't have said that about any of the last 13 teams.

George Liquor 02-10-2018 02:26 PM
Wow.

Red Dawg 02-10-2018 02:29 PM
Team doesn't seem tough. Physical is important. Attitude just isn't there.

KC_Connection 02-10-2018 02:36 PM
They called the flop a foul earlier in the game, not that time.

KC_Connection 02-10-2018 02:40 PM
I don't think I've ever seen anybody dunk the ball into his own basket, but if it had to be anybody, of course it was going to be Vick.

O.city 02-10-2018 02:41 PM
Baylor not missing here

CoMoChief 02-10-2018 02:43 PM
This is some really bad defense.

Just lack of effort...Newman looks lost on the court on D.

Azubuike should be a MUCH better rebounder and protector of the rim, than he is.

KC_Connection 02-10-2018 02:43 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Did...did Lagerald Vick really just dunk it on his own basket???<br><br>(via <a href="https://twitter.com/clippittv?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@clippittv</a>) <a href="https://t.co/Fv9VUErWGJ">pic.twitter.com/Fv9VUErWGJ</a></p>&mdash; Basketball Society (@BBallSociety_) <a href="https://twitter.com/BBallSociety_/status/962426238882086912?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 10, 2018</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I knew his basketball IQ was low but...

KC_Connection 02-10-2018 02:44 PM
Vick throws the ball to nobody on the break. Obviously.

George Liquor 02-10-2018 02:47 PM
You gotta be ****ing kidding me.

CoMoChief 02-10-2018 02:48 PM
**** that shit they aint missin

Meatloaf 02-10-2018 02:48 PM
Game. We simply don't have enough good players. Period.

CoMoChief 02-10-2018 02:48 PM
Newman sucks.

O.city 02-10-2018 02:48 PM
Game over

Can’t play man, can’t play zone either

Mr_Tomahawk 02-10-2018 02:51 PM
Season.

Streak.

CoMoChief 02-10-2018 02:52 PM
Self doesn't even know what to do at this point. game over.

Everyone sucked today. good job assholes way to lose to ****in Baylor

Fansy the Famous Bard 02-10-2018 02:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 13411467)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Did...did Lagerald Vick really just dunk it on his own basket???<br><br>(via <a href="https://twitter.com/clippittv?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@clippittv</a>) <a href="https://t.co/Fv9VUErWGJ">pic.twitter.com/Fv9VUErWGJ</a></p>&mdash; Basketball Society (@BBallSociety_) <a href="https://twitter.com/BBallSociety_/status/962426238882086912?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 10, 2018</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I knew his basketball IQ was low but...
It would be excusable, were it an oops moment where he loses control and the ball accidently goes in.

No. He intentionally catches and dunks it in our own goal. He is without a doubt, one of the dumbest players.... ever.

KC_Connection 02-10-2018 02:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 13411489)
Self doesn't even know what to do at this point. game over.

Everyone sucked today. good job assholes way to lose to ****in Baylor
What is there to do? KU just isn't that good a team. They have one very good player (Graham) and not a lot else (especially when Svi is invisible like he has been the last two games).

They also should have lost to Baylor at home three weeks ago. Only reason they didn't was because of Drew.

KC_Connection 02-10-2018 02:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by fahrenheit (Post 13411490)
It would be excusable, were it an oops moment where he loses control and the ball accidently goes in.

No. He intentionally catches and dunks it in our own goal. He is without a doubt, one of the dumbest players.... ever.
Did he think that he was playing offense at the time? I honestly have no idea.

Meatloaf 02-10-2018 02:57 PM
Stating the obvious here, but we have one Center (Dok), one power forward type (Lightfoot), zero true shooting forwards, 3 shoooting guards (Vick, Svi, Neuman) and one point guard (DG). The sum total of our "contributing" reserves is Garrett, a freshman defensive specialist.

Boys, we simply don't have enough of what we need.

Fansy the Famous Bard 02-10-2018 02:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 13411494)
Did he think that he was playing offense at the time? I honestly have no idea.
That would be my guess, he just spaced and got confused

CoMoChief 02-10-2018 02:58 PM
Lightfoot can't even stop a guard from going into the paint because he's too big of a pussy, much like Kaun was.

KU can't put their big guy late into games because he can't shoot FT and gets into foul trouble too much and they don't play D and get on the glass.

Season over. Wont make it out of first wknd.

Preston ****ed this team.

Mr_Tomahawk 02-10-2018 03:04 PM
Well, go KState.

The only way KU wins the league is for the rest of the league to beat up on themselves....

Fansy the Famous Bard 02-10-2018 03:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 13411509)
Lightfoot can't even stop a guard from going into the paint because he's too big of a pussy, much like Kaun was.

KU can't put their big guy late into games because he can't shoot FT and gets into foul trouble too much and they don't play D and get on the glass.

Season over. Wont make it out of first wknd.

Preston ****ed this team.
I've seen people on this site call you a dumbass many a time. Sometimes, you just have to see it first hand to understand.

CoMoChief 02-10-2018 03:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by fahrenheit (Post 13411546)
I've seen people on this site call you a dumbass many a time. Sometimes, you just have to see it first hand to understand.
Get ****ed

everything I said was truth. guess you didn't watch today's game.

KC_Connection 02-10-2018 03:17 PM
So Tech/KSU. The B12 streak may come down to Bruce Weber and him realizing that he has to give the ball to Dean Wade to win tonight. Not good.

Chiefspants 02-10-2018 03:29 PM
Whatever

Mr_Tomahawk 02-10-2018 03:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 13411581)
So Tech/KSU. The B12 streak may come down to Bruce Weber and him realizing that he has to give the ball to Dean Wade to win tonight. Not good.


I was wrong when I stated Tech would fade back to the middle of the pack by the end of conference play much like Oklahoma is now.

Tech is Salty and isn’t going anywhere. We need the good KSU team to show up tonight. And hopefully tech stubs their toe a couple more times. And at the end of the day...we just need to beat them when we go down there.

Pants 02-10-2018 03:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 13411581)
So Tech/KSU. The B12 streak may come down to Bruce Weber and him realizing that he has to give the ball to Dean Wade to win tonight. Not good.
Either way, if KU wins out, they at least share, right?

farmerchief 02-10-2018 04:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 13411610)
I was wrong when I stated Tech would fade back to the middle of the pack by the end of conference play much like Oklahoma is now.

Tech is Salty and isn’t going anywhere. We need the good KSU team to show up tonight. And hopefully tech stubs their toe a couple more times. And at the end of the day...we just need to beat them when we go down there.
Man, we cant even beat the weak sisters of the league, I dont give us much chance against their tougher bigger brothers! I think the streak ends and wait until next year to start another.:hmmm:

Mr_Tomahawk 02-10-2018 04:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pants (Post 13411653)
Either way, if KU wins out, they at least share, right?


Correct.

KC_Connection 02-10-2018 04:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pants (Post 13411653)
Either way, if KU wins out, they at least share, right?
Yes, but they won't be doing that. Tech won't either for that matter although they look like the superior team.

Buehler445 02-10-2018 05:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pants (Post 13411653)
Either way, if KU wins out, they at least share, right?
ROFL

BWillie 02-10-2018 07:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 13411425)
Jumping. He has no real basketball skill and has no idea how to play the sport itself.
You were right. Just night and day between how he played earlier in the year. He doesn't seem to have very good body control and coordination when driving either.

Mr_Tomahawk 02-10-2018 08:29 PM
So much for kstate helping us.

Thanks Bruce.

KC_Connection 02-10-2018 09:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 13411944)
You were right. Just night and day between how he played earlier in the year. He doesn't seem to have very good body control and coordination when driving either.
The competition is night and day too. He's actually playing some half-decent college basketball players in these games now and he's wilting as you'd expect of somebody of his limited basketball ability. Doesn't help that he's soft and also has no confidence at all.

KC_Connection 02-10-2018 09:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 13412069)
So much for kstate helping us.

Thanks Bruce.
No surprise. It was a good run, but the streak will certainly be ending at 13 with this team.

George Liquor 02-10-2018 10:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 13412104)
No surprise. It was a good run, but the streak will certainly be ending at 13 with this team.
Good. Get back to focusing on what really matters.

We have a million big xii titles.

BWillie 02-11-2018 06:00 AM
If KU beats Tech in Lubbock I will eat cat poop.

Prison Bitch 02-11-2018 09:19 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BDj23 (Post 13412185)
Good. Get back to focusing on what really matters.

We have a million big xii titles.
No. Winning the Farm League is > final four /pants, kcConnection, sapho

Pants 02-11-2018 10:50 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 13412343)
No. Winning the Farm League is > final four /pants, kcConnection, sapho
Classic PB idiocy.

Winning the Farm League 14 times in a row > Final Four. I'm not sure whether you can spot the subtle difference in that argument given how ****ing reeruned you are.

Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, gives a **** about the teams who made the Final Four in 2009. Shit, I would bet money you couldn't name the four teams without looking them up.

Everyone who is a fan of college basketball knows about the UCLA record.

Winning 14 Farm League titles in a row is a historic achievement that will never get repeated again. I'd rather Kansas make history.

Prison Bitch 02-11-2018 10:55 AM
I could prob name 97% of the FF since 1985

I have no clue who won the Big 10 any year

Pants 02-11-2018 10:58 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 13412463)
I could prob name 97% of the FF since 1985

I have no clue who won the Big 10 any year
I'm actually laughing out loud at this. ROFL

Prison Bitch 02-11-2018 10:59 AM
Very few fans even know about our streak anyway. And those that do nearly all discount it because our league isn't hard to win.

BWillie 02-11-2018 12:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 13412343)
No. Winning the Farm League is > final four /pants, kcConnection, sapho
I'm tired of arguing with people about this. Your goal is to get the highest seed you can, and Bill Self has done that in his time here. In fact, KU has the HIGHEST average seed of ANY team in the last 14 years. That doesn't always equal FFs and National Championships in a six game single elimination tournament. In gambling terms, KU has just "run bad" and been unlucky.

You can't pick NOT winning the league instead of Final Fours. You try to do both, and let the chips fall where they may in the NCAA Tournament.

George Liquor 02-11-2018 12:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 13412565)
I'm tired of arguing with people about this. Your goal is to get the highest seed you can, and Bill Self has done that in his time here. In fact, KU has the HIGHEST average seed of ANY team in the last 14 years. That doesn't always equal FFs and National Championships in a six game single elimination tournament. In gambling terms, KU has just "run bad" and been unlucky.

You can't pick NOT winning the league instead of Final Fours. You try to do both, and let the chips fall where they may in the NCAA Tournament.
Highest average seed, but only two final 4's and one national championship. Don't get me wrong, i want them to win the conference, but i won't be upset if they don't.

Selfs goal every year should be a final four. But i know, i know muh crapshoot.

I'm tired of the March underachieving.

TambaBerry 02-11-2018 01:14 PM
I would rather lose the league every year and make more final fours then win 14 straight years in a row

KC_Connection 02-11-2018 01:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BDj23 (Post 13412185)
Good. Get back to focusing on what really matters.

We have a million big xii titles.
It has nothing to do with "focus" or "goals." KU didn't win conference titles for over a decade because they focused on them more than anybody else at the detriment of the NCAA tournament. It has to do with KU having the most dominant run in college basketball history over the past 13 years, a run that will almost certainly never be replicated.

The fact that it is coming to an end this year also doesn't make them any more likely to do better in the NCAA tournament. In actuality, it makes them far more likely to do worse.

KC_Connection 02-11-2018 01:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TambaBerry (Post 13412635)
I would rather lose the league every year and make more final fours then win 14 straight years in a row
Unless we're winning more national titles at the same time, I certainly wouldn't. All Final Fours guarantee you is the right to be the second or third loser in a 68 team tournament. I don't get the infatuation with them.

KC_Connection 02-11-2018 01:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BDj23 (Post 13412608)
I'm tired of the March underachieving.
If they were actually underachieving, but it has been proven repeatedly that this isn't the case and that KU wins more regularly in the NCAA tournament than anybody not named Duke over the past couple decades.

Prison Bitch 02-11-2018 01:32 PM
Let's see the data

cmh6476 02-11-2018 01:51 PM
I want them to win the conference until eternity, and I want them to win the conference tourney and ncaa tourney every year :shrug:

They could get lucky and win it all this year :|

KC_Connection 02-11-2018 02:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 13412654)
Let's see the data
Quote:
Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 12151335)
Most NCAA tournament wins since 2000:

1. Kansas (42)
1. Duke (42)
3. Michigan State (40)
4. North Carolina (39)
5. Kentucky (37)
Quote:
Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 12151528)
Since 2004-

Bill Self (Kansas): 385 wins overall, 30 tournament wins, 1 NCAA championship
Mike Krzyzewski (Duke): 380 wins overall, 30 tournament wins, 2 NCAA championships
John Calipari(Memphis/Kentucky): 398 wins overall (38 of these vacated), 35 tournament wins (5 of these vacated), 1 NCAA championship
Roy Williams (North Carolina): 363 wins overall, 34 tournament wins, 2 NCAA championships
Tom Izzo (Michigan State): 335 wins overall, 27 tournament wins, 0 NCAA championships
Rick Pitino (Louisville): 337 wins overall, 26 tournament wins, 1 NCAA championship

So which one of these guys are we firing that underachiever Self for? LMAO
This is where we were in March 2016 during that year's whining. Not going to do the exact math (Kansas has gained on Duke/Coach K and MSU/Izzo since then and lost some to UNC/Roy), but they are certainly no underachiever in the tournament.

George Liquor 02-11-2018 04:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 13412649)
If they were actually underachieving, but it has been proven repeatedly that this isn't the case and that KU wins more regularly in the NCAA tournament than anybody not named Duke over the past couple decades.
Villanova has had the same tournament success in the past 10 years as KU. Uconn has won more national championships than us.

KC_Connection 02-11-2018 04:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BDj23 (Post 13412859)
Villanova has had the same tournament success in the past 10 years as KU. Uconn has won more national championships than us.
I guess that would depend on how you define "tournament success."

Villanova has made it out of the first weekend just twice over the last ten years (and missed the tournament entirely once), UConn has made it out of the first weekend three times over the last ten years (and missed the tournament entirely three times). Kansas obviously blows both of those programs out of the water in that regard.

Prison Bitch 02-11-2018 05:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 13412726)
This is where we were in March 2016 during that year's whining. Not going to do the exact math (Kansas has gained on Duke/Coach K and MSU/Izzo since then and lost some to UNC/Roy), but they are certainly no underachiever in the tournament.
Since 2000 is disengenuous since Roy had 9 of them. So Roy since 2002 has 49 wins and Self has 36. Quite a gap. Self has won a lot of games vs low seeds because he's always a 1 or 2. Rarely beats a peer team in the Tourney tho.


He's like 18-4 vs top 5 teams in regular season so that's obv a HUGE, incredible stat in his favor. Something is broken in the tourney for him tho.


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