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I can't fathom Dobbins playing 2nd fiddle for very long there. He's too dynamic of a player IMO.

The thing is, RPOs are going to be stupid effective. Even on that zone give, Kelce was wide open.

SAY THAT TO MY FACE, ****ER, NOT ONLINE, SEE WHAT HAPPENS!

LOL THANK YOU FOR MAKING ME GIGGLE :D

You are so right.......:toast:

Good vibes in here. I would like to shout out a MOTHER ****ER TO EVERYONE! Let the hate flow! Thats what we need man baby!

It’s Mahomes.


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Average -- Good -- Great -- Elite -- Mahomes

Yeah, I'll allow it.

Dude's footwork and contact balance are just flat out Mahomes.

Love me some CEH,.

But just humor me for a second. Imagine what this offense would be if you dropped the 2013 version of Jamal Charles in it. Him in the backfield running those RPO's and in this offense with the screen game?

Shit.

Would rather have Clyde. Love Jamaal but he fumbled a lot

Well this is certainly a strong take...

Log out.

I figured he'd have taken at least a cold shower between Thursday and now.

I mean damn. Dude looked great but....lord. Prime Charles was literally the most efficient RB in NFL HISTORY and combined CEH's pass-catching skills with Tyreek Hill's speed.

I mean...well, like I said, it's certainly a strong take.

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Just stop.

Jamaal is the nfl record holder in ypa all while playing in a a 5 yard box bc he never had a qb who could push the ball downfield.

I love CEH, but this offense with a prime Jamaal would be the greatest offense in the history of mankind. Andy Reid would be our punter.

I’ll be honest. I’m still not over my favorite Chief from the dark ages becoming a Bronco and then pouring salt in the wound saying he always wanted to be with that franchise.

:LOL:

Ingram has already said he doesn't want to be 2nd fiddle.

And of course, neither of them are going to be RB1 with Jackson leading the team in rushing every week.

This.

I don't care how great he was, screw him.

What makes a man do something that dastardly?

Bigger waste of a generational talent at RB:

Barry Sanders

or

Jamaal Charles?

Go sit in a corner and think about what you said.

I hate that he played such a big role in the Broncos winning that Super Bowl.

If he doesn’t fumble twice in that game, we win the West. The Broncos drop to the 5 seed and have 3 road games instead of 2 home games. ZERO chance the Broncos come out of the AFC playoffs if Jamaal holds onto the ball.

I don't really have a big problem with guys changing teams. It's a business.

The second Jamaal Charles said "I always wanted to play for Denver" he ceased to be a Chief.

Screw him.

Jamaal has much faster speed and better vision, even though CeH's vision seems great, Jamaal's was elite. Their pass catching ability is probably simliar, and CeH probably has better short area quickness.

I'd take Jamaal because if CeH gets past the 1 guy, he goes for 25 yards, if Jamaal gets past him, it's a TD.

I guess I'm a little different because I absolutely do not care about Jamaal's comments. The guy was a Bronco killer for years and I do not believe he meant what he said as any sort of slight toward KC.

I get that he might not have really meant it, but then why say it? Did anybody in Denver really care? He was washed up when he got there, it was pretty obvious. It's not like Denver fans were rejoicing or anything.

"Thanks for the opportunity" was sufficient. He didn't need to say he ALWAYS wanted to play there.

Plus I'm just not a very nostalgic person anyway. No rings, don't care.

Same here. That was it for me. F you dude.


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I'd say the jury is definitely still out on CEH's vision being elite.

It's his best trait

Barry, no question. Sanders was his NFL generation's version of MJ or Wayne Gretzky. He's the GOAT RB; and talent-wise, so far beyond the rest of the field he's in his own zip code. He was like Pat; he broke all the rules at his position and thrived while doing it.

It never really bothered me. Dude was washed and knew it and was trying to find any way at all to ingratiate himself with his teammates/fans. Oh, and he's LITERALLY mentally disabled. The dude's as sharp as a tack hammer. I can't really hold anything he says against him because he's just pretty dumb.

But Tony Gonzalez will always be dead to me. And he makes it worse pretty much every chance he gets. The trade request was frustrating but forgiveable I guess. But then to refuse to waive his no-trade to come back in a lost season for ATL and then while a player to talk about how much he loves Atlanta and how his career didn't really start until he got there. Finally he threw shade on the Chiefs during his HoF induction ceremony.

KC fans - I don't know why you cheer for this guy. He thinks the entire city is beneath him. He never embraced the area, never appreciated the fans and pretty much spent his entire time here looking for a way out.

How most Chiefs fans feel about Neil Smith is how I feel about Gonzalez. I friggen loathe the guy.

Oh I hate Tony worse lol.


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Agreed. I wouldn't count Charles as anything close to a generational talent. Very good, yes.

Yeah, I get this. My feelings toward Charles are closer to apathy than anger.

I can't stand Tony Gonzales though.

Not to mention JC had the highest YPC in NFL history...on some terrible Chief teams. He was like 60% of their offense and teams still couldn't stop him.

If he saw "light boxes" the majority of his career....he'd be a 1st ballot HOF RB.

I cant even imagine him in this variation of a Mahomes led offense...

CEH is yet to be determined but 100 yards after contact in his first ever game...dude is going to be special.

Sure he was - with the caveat that he lacked the one skill that is fundamental to being an all-timer.

Health. I'm firmly convinced that some guys body's are just better equipped to handle the same stress and same impacts than other guys. It's a skill you have or you don't. Jamaal didn't.

But from a pure talent perspective - you must not remember some of the shit that guy did. He was truly one of the most talented RBs in NFL history. Yes, he was a 'generational player' when healthy.

He just didn't have the body to do it long enough.

I mostly agree, but not being able to do it long enough prevents him from being an all-time great, especially with zero rings, and not a single playoff victory.

Agreed.

I think the question was mostly one of talent, though. Did he have the raw ability to be an all-time great?

Boy, hard to have seen who he was in 2010 or even the post-achilles 2012 season and say he didn't. And even in 2012 (and thereafter) I don't think he was quite as fast as he was in that 2010 season.

5 years of 2010 Jamaal and a few more of 2012-2014 puts him in extremely select company.

His raw talent was pretty close to unmatched.

Yeah, watching those old 2009-2010 JC highlights is crazy. Dude's speed was just different.

His TD numbers spiked with Reid but at that point I think he had definitely lost a step, which is hilarious because he was noticeably slower yet still one of the fastest guys in the league.

My poor high school went against Jamaal Charles. He ran for 300+ and a lot of TD's. He was unstoppable. Not surprising for such a talented guy going against typical high school kids.

But we squeaked out a victory at the very end. Our QB was scrambling around, fumbled the ball...Jamaal's team thought it was an incomplete pass and gave up on the play. Our QB picked it up and ran it 50 yards for a TD as the clock expired. This was at their stadium, so the crowd was furious at the refs. High school in 2003, so no instant replay to see if the fumble was actually an incomplete pass. We got lucky as hell to win that game, haha.

This offense with prime JC would be COMPLETELY unstoppable.

You HAD to put 8 in the box against JC or get torched.

My high school had to deal with Darren Sproles. No games were won against his team.

He had a game against Seattle in 2010 where he was just ripping of 10/12 yard chunks seemingly every time he touched the ball. He went for about a buck seventy five on 8 yards/carry and never had a carry over like 25 yards.

To say it was death by 1,000 papercuts isn't accurate. It wasn't even a series of body blows. It was more like repeated stab-wounds.

I was completely convinced that Charles could've set the single-game yardage record in that game. We still had Jones as the 'starter' and he got something like 20 carries in that game.

And I think it was the season before he had a similar game against Denver where he damn near DID set the record. Had over 250 yards IIRC. And then they had a drive late in the game starting deep in their own territory when it was already decided and the season was over (in a year they lost 11 or 12 games). He had a shot to break that damn record and for whatever reason Haley gives it to some scrub backup 3 times to burn clock and punts.

When a guy has a shot at history, you let him try it. It always chapped my ass that they didn't.

This is how I took the question as well. As a pure on-the-field talent, JC was definitely a generational talent. As in we don't see guys like him but every 20-25 years.

But Barry was on yet another level, like a once-in-a-century kind of talent. Maybe once-in-a-millennia.

Haha, I love Sproles. We had a legend in our town named Ell Roberson who played with Sproles at K-State. Darren is one of those inspirational guys. Can't ever let people pre-judge a player based on their size.

Clyde's talent reminds me a lot of Sproles. Very special quickness, burst, and start/stop ability. Clyde's got a little more size to him as well, which is great for NFL level.

Yeah, that last game against Denver, he went nuts. I remember Haley saying something about having to play them again next year or whatever. Dumb shit.

2013 Charles with Andy was a legit MVP candidate, he was incredible. In 2014 he had a game against Seattle in KC where he was just everywhere.

Injuries just wiped him out.

Haley was just such a royal cocksmoker.

That ****ing guy doesn't have a single redeeming quality. I'll bet his pets even hate him. He probably has goldfish that choose to starve to death rather than live in the same home as him.

God he was the worst.

If his knees would of held together, and his ankles(?) it would have been even more incredible to see what he would have accomplished

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Those questioning Charles must have never seen this game...

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That was a great game. With all those Broncos purposely missing tackles and the refs choosing not to throw holding flags.

259 Yards was quite the anomaly.

Thanks for throwing us a bone that year, NFL script writers.

Triggered boy is triggered...always triggered...it's what you do.

I guess you think this makes you appear intelligent...? Were you hugging your Goodell doll while typing that?

LMAO

Some of us understand that NFL is purely escapist entertainment and a business....others still put cookies out for Santa.

CBS Sports have their NFL analysts, now, giving betting advice against the spread...

People cant still be this detached...can they?

I'm just trying to talk football with you on your level, bro, what's with the hostility?

No you're not...you follow me around and repeatedly do this.

It's like you have to post that shit to convince yourself....it's not going to change my observations. So why bother...to each their own...I guess?

The more people you get to agree with you...somehow makes you correct?

How about this...you believe the NFL in unfettered pure sport...and I believe it's sport merged with a multi-billion dollar corporation and the advertising/betting industry...that is profit/ratings driven.

Fair?

People who do coke usually are. LMAO

I actually think, looking back, Haley was more of an indictment than Cassel.

How do you hire someone of such low moral fiber to run your football team?

Is your judge of character that poor?

Makes sense. I bet the Broncos purposely fell over because Vegas. They musta got the message from the higher-ups in the league to go ahead and let Charles run for 259.

I mean, Matt Cassel sure AF wasn't going to be able to complete passes to wide open receivers.

Probably a two-bird, one stone thing as well.

Chiefs fans needed something to celebrate so the NFL threw them a bone with Charles, and then that helps boost season ticket sales for the following season.

I mean, 259 is an anomaly for sure, AND it happened on the last game of the season? Too much of a coincidence don't you agree?

Anyway, surely we both agree that Charles wasn't that special and he never woulda ran for 259 without the help of the NFL script writers, but thanks for the trip down memory lane! That was the BEST script of the 2009 season!

Has it crossed your mind that maybe it's possible for the NFL to be escapist and a business by letting the teams play it out without any intervention or scripting by the NFL, you ****ing dummy?

Well shit man, i'm just tryna get on your level!

I see you constantly talking about the rigged NFL and oddly spectacular player performances so i thought i'd just share some commonality with you, like friends.

NOW you don't wanna talk about it? C'mon, that's not nice.

We're talking about Scott Pioli here.

Does that question really need to be asked?

Have you watched the final minute of the Rams/Saints NFCCG? I predicted that shit all year.....Rams SB or bust tour ...guess I'm just lucky? Detox hates that it played out exactly the way it did..

We did get a half-hearted rule change to appease the fans that knew they were cheated...which lasted one year and was never really enforced.

He hates that I predicted the 12-4 miracle Raiders season....before the pre-season....the one where Carr set the record for most 4th quarter comebacks...then magically went back to sucking....the same year they announced they were lobbying Nevada politicians to relocate to Vegas (mid-season). Everybody likes a winner...right?

Carr has never won more than 7 games except that season...

Dummy...:)

Actually, it was last year you predicted both the Rams and Chargers in the playoffs, as well as a Raiders win over the Chiefs.

And psssttt.....the year the Rams went to the SB...they already had approval for a new Stadium, so i bet that had more to do with Vegas than anything to do with L.A...

Predicting bad calls in the NFL, well you're a goddamn Nostradamus and that's why we need to be friends, buddy.

Like i said, Charles' 259 yard game coming at the last week of the season, how do you not see how phony that was? How did you miss that? It's so obvious.

Clyde won FedEx ground player of the week

LMAO

You were close man, SOOO close LMAO

Meanwhile, here's me in that thread:

You win..the NFL is 100% legit...I'm convinced.

Would you like a trophy...or an Applebees gift card?

I'll send you a video loop of the forward progress call in Titans playoff game...I'm trying to remember the refs name...since he magically retired the next day.

You can watch it over and over...and stare at your trophy.

All i wanted to do was talk football with you on your level... are we friends now?

Holy shit, you actually posted in the correct thread. Good job dumbass.

The All 22 makes CEH look even better.

He's ****ing nightcrawler.

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He is so ****ing good. I can't even.

Those two clips gave me goosebumps. Especially the first one. We already knew this kid was unbelievable but now it's actually happening at the pro level.

I swear I've seen this exact play already, but with CEH in an LSU uniform.

The new twitter narrative is CEH was gifted all those yards by HOU playing super-high safeties the whole game. BS. This play had nothing to do with safeties. A lesser back would have gotten 2-3 yards on this play.

His vision and agility in tight space is very, very impressive. Even if you have a defense that decides to focus a ton on stopping him, it then makes them more vulnerable to the passing game.

If anyone has a defense that can pull off the below items in the same game, then more power to them. They probably have the best defense of all-time.

1. Elite pass rush on Mahomes
2. Outsmarting Reid & Mahomes in the playcalling
3. Shut down Clyde running
4. Shut down Clyde receiving
5. Elite coverage on Tyreek, Kelce, Sammy, D-Rob/Hardman
6. Shut down Mahomes from running for 1st downs

On the second one I almost question Keysor's takeaway from it, precisely because of what we've seen him do at LSU.

I don't think he saw the hole was closing, I think he actively closed it. In a 'no look pass' sort of way.

What jumps out watching the kid is that he is ALWAYS setting up his cut. He pushes the gap for so long that he forces a LB to commit and then reacts to it. So I don't think he knew that hole was closing up, I think he took that hard jump stop into the hole to FORCE it closed and get that LBer to commit, opening the B(?) gap to run through.

Keysor gives him credit for reacting but I don't think that's right. What I think happened is even MORE impressive. He didn't react to the action in front of him - he created it. He was pro-active in making the defense commit to that gap with every intention of jumping out of it the moment he made that jump stop.

Dude is playing chess.

Like I said - he and Mahomes are very similar players at different positions. They're thinking a step ahead and possess unique physical traits that allow them to set up things that only they can take advantage of.

That was my exact thought.

I can't wait to see him run again this weekend. There's some magical runs coming and some foo's are gonna get their ankles broken.

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Anyone got any more of 'em All-22 CEH Videos?

Do you think we’ll have a lot of success running against the Chargers?