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Bob D. Campbell and Company was the structural engineer for the Truman Sports Complex. He probably has had a good laugh about all this cancer of concrete.
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I want one of the teams to jump the state line just to see what kind of excuses Quinton Lucas makes. That dude has ridden Sly James’ coattails for 5 years, allowing homicide rates to go out of control, homeless encampments to largely pepper downtown, the plaza to become a shell of its former self, and largely doing nothing at all.
The airport, the World Cup, the Street Car, new downtown construction…all shit that was stamped under Sly’s watch. Lucas is more interested in photo ops and rubbing shoulders in DC (where he really wants to be) than he is in the betterment of Kansas City. Can’t stand that dude. |
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My point was that even when you look at that statement from Frank White, he doesn't say anything or use any kind of language that a politician would say about working to keep the Royals and Chiefs. He kind of comes across like he's powerless watching the waves roll by, when he is the government official who actually has the ability to work with the teams to try and come up with a deal or plan that would be more acceptable for taxpayers. Or just say we're not doing this. |
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The Royals didn't want him. Tax payers despise him. The only card he has left to play is burning the house down. |
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The more you look at those stadium plans in Kansas, it's actually one hell of a design. Lots of Arrowhead tributes in it.
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You can't negotiate with someone who doesn't want to negotiate. You say its Frank, I think it's the teams. Frank has everything to lose, the teams have everything to gain. |
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New stadium location in KS is already on Google maps?
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1) Who owns the stadium(s), not the teams 2) How much employment tax will KCMO lose 3) Property tax on abandoned stadiums, who is paying that 4) Missouri loses money on less employment and the players salaries they have to pay on gameday checks 5) Is it the teams that are deferring maintenance or Jackson County 6) To redevelop TSC, after the teams leave, who pays the demo cost? Look at KCMO, no pro hockey, no pro basketball, no pro baseball, no pro football, no leadership |
Can they turn the Truman Sports Complex into a landfill?
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KS state rep Sean Tarwater was on 810 there. MO sounds in deep deep shit if they wanna keep the Chiefs. STAR bonds bill being drafted up today or tomorrow which Chiefs are full onboard with. They'll 100% build them a dome too. Chiefs want a hotel, amphitheater etc. Tarwater mocked MO and Jackson County and said they will try to organize themselves with a rebuttal but aren't on the same page at all and Frank White will hurt them.
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Why? The entire surrounding area is already a landfill. |
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We're gonna go from Arrowhead to a ****ing dome. That sucks, Clark.
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Because it would rule actually |
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Kansas pop. 2.937
Missouri pop 6.173 I guess the cheap bastards will flee to Nebraska next |
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I know people love the retractable roof idea. That would seem like a great compromise, but I have a feeling that once you have one of those set-ups it just becomes almost-always dome unless weather is perfect, which might be 3 or 4 games per year in KC if we're lucky. |
Feels like really really early to just assume anything on the actual stadium i dunno
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I get not panicking to make a move. But these last two weeks have been extremely frustrating.
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I just want an updated Arrowhead stadium somewhere in KC IF they build a new stadium.
Arrowhead is unique from every stadium in the league. I don't want a generic dome. |
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All the Jackson County residents who voted against this seemed to believe that it would mean the Royals would stay at the K and that they would get a chance to vote Yes on a “better proposal.”
Naivety. Or, they complained about the deal the teams were getting (any public money = bad) while ignoring how much the 1% earnings tax brings in on game checks alone. The teams did a shitty job of making the latter point, as did the city, and White’s vendetta against the Royals was a factor too. The City and State might be able to pull something out yet, but the teams will get rosier deals because there’s competition now. |
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https://scoopandscoreks.com/ They are definitely trying to drum up support in Kansas to move forward with this. No new taxes and we get the Chiefs. Hmmm |
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Arrowhead is a tourist destination. The price of AH tickets will get you parking at a new stadium. But it will look pretty from the Interstate. Look to Buffalo, oh pie eyed ones
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Not really. |
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Just in case one day I get to run SOFI, wtf is stopping you from tailgating?
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Tailgating Rules and Regulations Tailgating will not be allowed outside of dedicated tailgating areas. Tailgating activities will only be allowed within the time period designated by SoFi Stadium and Hollywood Park. Tailgating in ADA marked parking stalls is prohibited. Tailgating in electric vehicle marked parking stalls is prohibited. Overnight parking or storage of equipment by guests in tailgating areas is prohibited. Any vehicles or equipment left overnight will be towed or removed at owner's expense. All vehicles within tailgating areas must follow any instructions given by SoFi Stadium and Hollywood Park personnel. Guests who fail to abide by SoFi Stadium and Hollywood Park personnel may be subject to immediate ejection from Hollywood Park without reimbursement. There is no reserved parking within parking lot tailgating areas. Guests that wish to park next to a family member or friend must arrive at the parking gate and lot at the same time, and both vehicles must have the approved tailgating parking passes for the designated tailgating parking lot(s). Access to the parking lot tailgating areas is on a first come, first served basis. There are no "in and out" privileges granted for vehicles and the saving of parking spaces by guests for other guests is prohibited. The use of tents within parking lot tailgating areas is allowed so long as the tents do not encroach into the marked fire lane. No stakes or through-surface inserts (e.g., tent poles) may be driven into the ground without prior permission. Vehicles exceeding a size of 9 feet by 18 feet are not allowed within parking lot tailgating areas. Sidewalks and pedestrian walkways shall remain clear and unobstructed at all times. Natural gas and propane grills are allowed within parking lot tailgating areas. Charcoal grills, wood stoves, oil fryers, open-pit fires, and/or other cooking stations will not be allowed in any tailgating areas. Glass containers are not permitted. All drinks shall be placed in plastic or other non-breakable cups or cans unless otherwise authorized by SoFi Stadium and Hollywood Park personnel. Sale of food or beverage items by guests is prohibited. Unauthorized private catering companies are strictly prohibited. In parking lot tailgating areas, guests may bring and prepare food for consumption by their family and friends only. Small portable electric generators (600W or less) are permitted in parking lot tailgating areas. Electrical cords cannot be placed across parking areas/drive aisles or in areas that would create a hazard for any guests. Unregistered motorized and non-motorized vehicles are prohibited in tailgating areas, including, without limitation, golf carts, Segway's, skateboards, scooters, and hoverboards. Bicycles are permitted in tailgating areas only at designated bike racks. Drones, remote-controlled unmanned aerial vehicles or other similar motorized vehicles/devices are prohibited. Possession or operation of such devices may result in immediate ejection from the site and may also result in confiscation of such devices by security and law enforcement. Portable public address systems are not permitted. Amplified sound systems cannot be used at excessive volumes and playing music with inappropriate language (profanity, slurs, etc.) is prohibited. The use of megaphones, airhorns, and other noise making devices is prohibited. Advertising or commercial activities by guests are not permitted. Guest vehicles with exterior advertisement (e.g. wraps) are not allowed in the parking lot tailgating areas even with a valid tailgating parking pass. No commercial advertisement hung or displayed on guest vehicles, tents, signs, or by any other means possible is permitted. Selling of items or soliciting of any promotional or marketing activities by guests is prohibited. Disorderly conduct is not permitted. Picketing, political campaigning, signature gathering, or soliciting or distribution of any kind, including promotional marketing, is not permitted within the tailgating areas and any other parking lot. Weapons or firearms are strictly prohibited. This extends to both real weapons and fake weapons, such as toy guns, swords, knives, hatchets, or bombs that might be part of a costume. Vehicles are parked within the parking lot tailgating areas at the owners' risk. SoFi Stadium and Hollywood Park and/or its agents are not responsible for fire, theft, damage or loss of/to vehicles or any other article left in parking lot tailgating areas. Tailgating areas must be kept in a neat and orderly condition, and all trash must be disposed of in proper receptacles. Guests must return their area back to its original state before entering the event. Trash bags must not be left beside a car or otherwise outside of a trash receptacle within the tailgating area. Liquids other than water may not be poured out onto the ground. Guests must abide by the Tailgating Drug and Alcohol Policy at all times. <iframe width="640" height="480" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/_997r8Sr_KY" title="How does tailgating work at SoFi Stadium?" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" referrerpolicy="strict-origin-when-cross-origin" allowfullscreen></iframe> |
The problem with Kansas STAR bonds...
Kansas plan to get Chiefs, Royals relies on billions in bonds with ‘high degree of risk’
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Kroenke owns like 6 teams and 4 venues. Married to a Walmart heiress. His concessions are costing him far far less than the average rich guy.
I take back my stupid comment. Please still call for an interview. |
Everyone should listen to this before commenting
https://omny.fm/shows/the-program/h1...for-the-chiefs You listen to this and you'll think this thing is all but done already. Important things: Star bonds work. Missouri was stupid for not trying this. Dude straight up says Frank White bungled it. The Chiefs are 100% demanding that the tailgating experience is part of it. The only reason to not be excited about this is you don't want the stadium in Kansas. People should buy cheap property in KCK because I think this is happening. |
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Congratulations to the "No" voters. You're getting what you wanted.
Unless they thought voting "No" meant they would get a chance to vote on something else in the future. Goodbye, hundreds of millions in earnings taxes over the next 3 decades. |
People actually think tailgating is staying?
It'll probably be the first thing that's eliminated in order to turn those free meal tickets into profits at the bar in some chain store bbw place the team controls. The new stadium and game day experience will completely overhaul the game day crowd as well. You coal burning heathens will be charged extra for the very back corner of some lot because you're a fire hazard and drink too much free beer. |
None of what you are saying is based on anything but fear. It's pretty hard to convince people things are going to suck just because you're afraid they will.
Come back to me when you have anything, at all, concrete about this situation and why it will suck. |
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Remember five head having to quiet the crowd before the snap. Yeah that's the crowd you have at high-end venues
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The imagination of Chiefs fans never ceases to amaze me. Why move the stadium? I mean aside from all the reasons. Did you already forget about that time in the 90s when it was loud? For shame. It will never be loud again! Not with the wine and cheese Overland Park fans that certainly never went to Chiefs games before! The Kingdom is built on George Brett Statue Fights. Anything else is gentrified fake fandom. Might as well put an On The Border in the stadium because this is fake Tex Mex from a chain. |
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They know the building costs, share the ticket pricing as well with each plan
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https://scoopandscoreks.com/
I wish this had more info but once the bill goes through it's final revision I imagine it will be posted here. |
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I do think it was pretty telling that everyone expects Missouri to make a counter-offer in light of Kansas' bill.
This Tarwater guy seemed pretty unconcerned that Missouri would put together something in time that competes. Just weird for Missouri to say they don't want the Chiefs to build all these accompaning structures around the stadium and Kansas was like hell we have nothing but wide open space in every direction go nuts! I think if Missouri was capable of getting their shit together they would have made a Star Bonds bill in the first place. People should buy land in Wyandotte if you have extra cash for an investment imo |
I just don't know what people expected here, the Truman Sports Complex is a relic at this point, those are some of the oldest stadiums in their respective leagues.
It makes little sense to keep redoing them and not build new. It also makes little sense for either of those teams to want to stay in that shitty location. |
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Having visited KC and catching a couple games this past weekend, I definitely got a little romantic about the good ol days and remembering all the games I’ve seen at the K over the past 40+ years, but ultimately, it’s way past time to move on. They’re both lovely stadiums with a lot to like about them, but there’s PLENTY to upgrade. Just getting out of that part of town would be a step in the right direction. Lot of people holding on too tight. Change is inevitable. |
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It makes zero sense for the Royals to be there. It doesn't need open spaces. (in fact, it is better for baseball to be more connected/close to high-employment areas because of the connection between employers, season-ticket groupings, ease of access directly after work, etc.). I'm still hopeful the Royals, at least, will stay in KCMO proper. It will suck for KCMO to lose 1% on 2/18 of the NFL salary cap 8 times a year, though. That's a lot of money to make up, and those "thriving businesses" in the Crossroads sure as **** don't do it on their own. Between the two teams and the way players (just players, not even including any staff) are taxed, you're talking about $5M in KC 1% earnings tax on a yearly basis. |
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The K is a relic and is going to go. I want the Royals downtown. My fellow Jackson Countians are too stupid to see the benefits far outweigh the negatives with that, though. So yay. I want what's best for Kansas City proper. A strong city is good for the entire metropolitan area, unless you want to end up like St. Louis. What's best for the city proper is keeping both teams in the KC metro and with KCMO addresses. The Chiefs could do whatever they want/wanted to do at TSC if they had the whole things to do themselves just as easily as they could in Wyandotte county. |
I’m curious why it is best for the entire metro area if they stay in KCMO. That just sounds like wishful thinking, not something based in financial reality.
Putting the Royals downtown seems like a no-brainer, but Missouri’s going to Missouri |
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