again, Falcons lost by 4 to the Saints

gave up 400 yards passing

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...1211110nor.htm

look at the left side that is pathetic

Dunta was torched in this game. Allowed 7 for 7, and 2 TDs. We will get sick of him at times this year.

He isn't expected to be one of the starting 2 is he?...

he gets torched a lot

thank goodness Sean Smith is going to start, at least. and I hope Flowers never gets hurt

He's the nickel, which is practically a starter in today's NFL.

The Broncos had over 500 pass attempts last season with 3 or more WR.

no but that's the pickle

if hes not one of the 2, then is he going to cover the slot? or on passing downs does Flowers bump down to the slot and Dunta cover the outside

Dunta is not a slot CB,

Claynus still beating the Sean Smith drum when he didn't play in a press man system last year nor did he watch more than a quarter of a Dolphins game.

When your football knowledge comes from PFF and reading other teams message boards this is what happens.

They're going to score anyway. We'll have to put up 20+ to have a any chance of beating them...

You see, the problem is that you present these arguments as though they are the crafted thoughts of your own exhaustive, first-hand research.

They are not. They are you looking at a website that ranks players according to their own analysis. What's wrong with that, you ask?

I will tell you.

Player X is a 5'9, 190 lb cornerback who was playing in a cover-2 zone scheme where he relied on safety help over the top. His particular coaches always kept him on the right side of the field. Other teams would line up their largest receivers on him to create a height mismatch. Meanwhile, it was recognized on film that the safety assigned with helping him would bite at least one step on play-action. Not enough to take him completely out of the play, but enough to get him a step out of position. Player X is a good player. He is coachable. He didn't press the receiver, because his coaches don't believe in gambling. They wanted him to contain the big play so as not to put pressure on his game manager QB.

Player Y is 6'1, 210 pounds, and he is not coachable. He doesn't listen to his DC who tells him they'd rather give up an 8 yard gain and live to fight another day than get beat over the top. His safety is extremely smart and extremely disciplined. His safety is constantly diagnosing plays and calling them out before they even happen. This gives Player Y the confidence to jump routes, which he does often. He knows that he will either get the interception or his safety will be behind him for the help, which he almost always is. For this reason, they are statistically the most effective secondary duo in the league. When Player Y gets beat bad, it rarely shows up, because his safety help is there to prevent a big gain.

Now, Player X and Player Y are both unrestricted free agents. You log onto your good ol' PFF where they have Player X as giving up 8.9 YPC and Player Y giving up 6.7.

You want Player Y. You say he's better. The evidence clearly proves it.

Except... it doesn't.

The PFF guys look at that and they determine Player X is playing off the receiver and doesn't have the closing speed to defend the pass. Fine, but that's what he was told to do. And the PFF guys don't tell you they made this judgment call. You aren't privy to that individual, play-by-play analysis.

In fact, there IS no individual, play-by-play analysis. Because guess what? In order to do that, you need a crew of guys working almost around the clock for every single team.

You know what that's called? Position coaches.

Five guys on a website do not analyze 64 starting cornerbacks with the insight and accuracy that 64 guys (call it two coaches per team) will.

And the fact is, when dealing with free agents, you cannot compare them to the entire league. You have to compare them to only the OTHER AVAILABLE PLAYERS. (this argument is a little moving-the-goalposts, but I still think it's worth mentioning).

This is why I don't just blindly look at statistical analysis from a fan-run website and call it gospel.

I'll have many pages to read through, but I can't imagine there to be a better, more appropriate post than this one. :popcorn:

It's much easier to just say "Claynus is clueless".

Thank u. thats all i wanted. a more subtle response. and one thing i know that u left out.

He led the league in Comeback wins.

He went toe to toe with the leagues best in Brees, (in the playoffs, no less) and pulled out the victory.

He has already proven to be clutch, and win those grind games. In which, as you know, grind games don't have to be high scoring. Just which teams offense can put up that winning score, or in some cases, drive the ball down the field for the winning FG if need be.

Also, and lets be honest, did any of those teams have a great core around them. Honestly IMHO, had Flacco not had Boldin or Ray Lewis's comeback journey, he may not have won that SB. Had Roeth, not had the Bus, Ward, or Polamalu, he may not have won.

So although we talk only of the Qb, some other parts have to be in place to help the Qb overcome and get that W.

But thats the only problem, something is lost or insulted in trying to compare Qb's.
For Example, I dislike both the Mannings. But honestly is Eli better because he has more SB's than his brother?? Some say Hell yeah, and some say Hell no. It comes down to the way we individually look at it, know what I mean.

I just say whats wrong with giving the guy a chance, and see if he can help lead this team to victories? Don't count him out because of earlier years before JH. Because if you take his last two year results, i think 19-5, and clutch playoff win leading to the divisional championship. Not too shabby IMHO.

Yeah, OK.

We'll see "what happens" with Sean Smith this season.

http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/b...5134601789.jpg

I don't remember a 2nd concussion either. Not 100% certain.. but have no recollection, and I think I would. :hmmm:

I liked the signing at first because there was talk of him moving to FS. He's a solid hitter and could probably play that role well.

Did not want him at CB other than an emergency starter...