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petegz28 09-26-2021 03:24 PM

Today's loss was not on the D. Mahomes & Co. ****ed us.

UChieffyBugger 09-26-2021 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 15856619)
Must've watched a different game. Thought Spags was the DC. Didn't KC's D generate 5 stops? 5/9=56%. More than enough to win any game against any opponent.

Oh, did Spags fumble the ball twice and throw those two INTs? I thought that was the offense.

So giving up 94 points in three games is good? Yes the offense didn't help but neither does needing to score 30 plus every game to have a chance to win.

Megatron96 09-26-2021 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 15857012)
So giving up 94 points in three games is good? Yes the offense didn't help but neither does needing to score 30 plus every game to have a chance to win.

Where in there did I say that the defense was good? Though if we're actually going to be honest, they came out and played rather well at first. The offense turning the ball over four times and giving away short fields throughout the first half is what sunk KC, which again has nothing to do with the defense.

You want to wear out your defense early? Turn the ball over in your half of the field four times in a row.

Here's the thing: no team has much of a chance to win if their offense turns the ball over in their side of the field four consecutive times to start the game. But in spite of that, the Chiefs D forced LAC to punt twice there.

Not sure what else you realistically could expect of them.

The offense is not playing well through three weeks, period. Turnovers, poor decisions, 3rd down arm punts are not going to get it done, no matter what team we're talking about. Patrick/Kelce/Hill/whatever JAG we put out there have to man up and play much cleaner.

And this is not about play-calling either. Stop with the 'Andy turtled up" BS. That last throw to Pringle was exactly the right call, and Pringle dropped it. His drop before was also a critical play.

Now we're seeing the offense without Sammy. It's still pretty good, but it's not as efficient and unstoppable, period. The whole "we just need two fast little guys" theory is utter BS. We need a big, physical WR2 that can actually run great routes and has reliable hands in the clutch.

But we have what we have. Which means the Hardman/Pringle/Kemp/whoever gang better find a way to play a lot better, and stop dropping balls. we simply can't afford their mistakes anymore.

King_Chief_Fan 09-26-2021 04:13 PM

I don't want to see any Spagnoula posts unless it says something about him getting canned.
Bob Sutton wants an apology

RunKC 09-26-2021 04:16 PM

There’s a clear personnel issue right now.

Clark is not playing and has flopped. Jones is the ONLY legit pass rusher on the team right now.

Willie Gay is hurt so Neimann has to start. Bolton has looked good but he’s played 3 games.

Ward is out and it shows, even though he’s struggled himself. Sorenson is also too old to cover a TE one-on-one with any legitimacy anymore, though I get the Thornhill questions.

Think you can also make a case that Matheiu is slowly starting to show his age this year.

How many DC’s are going to look good with such a depleted talent barrier?

Chris Meck 09-26-2021 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 15857233)
There’s a clear personnel issue right now.

Clark is not playing and has flopped. Jones is the ONLY legit pass rusher on the team right now.

Willie Gay is hurt so Neimann has to start. Bolton has looked good but he’s played 3 games.

Ward is out and it shows, even though he’s struggled himself. Sorenson is also too old to cover a TE one-on-one with any legitimacy anymore, though I get the Thornhill questions.

Think you can also make a case that Matheiu is slowly starting to show his age this year.

How many DC’s are going to look good with such a depleted talent barrier?

I have no earthly idea what the hell is wrong with Thornhill that they won't yank Sorensen, but Dirty Dan is terrible. He always has been, but he has a knack for making a big play in a big moment which is fine, but doesn't negate the dozen or so plays he just sucks per game. He's terrible.

Hammock Parties 09-26-2021 04:30 PM

Chiefs should bring in Alex Smith to coach the defense, he can stop an offense in the red zone like no other.

bricks 09-26-2021 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 15856989)
Today's loss was not on the D. Mahomes & Co. ****ed us.

I think that the loss is on the entire team.

The offense turned the ball over too many times and the defense didn’t make the stops when they needed to.

Easy 6 09-26-2021 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 15857233)
There’s a clear personnel issue right now.

Clark is not playing and has flopped. Jones is the ONLY legit pass rusher on the team right now.

Willie Gay is hurt so Neimann has to start. Bolton has looked good but he’s played 3 games.

Ward is out and it shows, even though he’s struggled himself. Sorenson is also too old to cover a TE one-on-one with any legitimacy anymore, though I get the Thornhill questions.

Think you can also make a case that Matheiu is slowly starting to show his age this year.

How many DC’s are going to look good with such a depleted talent barrier?

This

It’s clearly a talent issue at this point

Hammock Parties 09-26-2021 05:06 PM

Is this defense worse than 2018?

The 2018 Chiefs got 37.5 sacks from Ford, Jones and Houston.

They were shitty, but they could close a game with their pass rush.

This defense is not getting that kind of pressure from three guys.

Meanwhile, the 2021 offense lacks...Kareem, Fisher, Schwartz and Watkins.

The '18 offense had all of them, so it was good enough to overcome that defense...and even work in tandem with it at times (elite O + pass rush is deadly).

If this defense is truly worse than 2018, I don't think the offense is going to be near good enough to overcome it.

I think the Chiefs HAVE to improve on defense stat if they are to have any hope of getting back to the SB.

Chiefspants 09-26-2021 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 15857375)
Is this defense worse than 2018?

The 2018 Chiefs got 37.5 sacks from Ford, Jones and Houston.

They were shitty, but they could close a game with their pass rush.

This defense is not getting that kind of pressure from three guys.

Meanwhile, the 2021 offense lacks...Kareem, Fisher, Schwartz and Watkins.

The '18 offense had all of them, so it was good enough to overcome that defense...and even work in tandem with it at times (elite O + pass rush is deadly).

If this defense is truly worse than 2018, I don't think the offense is going to be near good enough to overcome it.

I think the Chiefs HAVE to improve on defense stat if they are to have any hope of getting back to the SB.

Your best post since the loss, for sure. This is a good point. We're in all likelihood not going 13-4 or 12-5 with the D we had in 2018.

Hammock Parties 11-08-2021 11:06 AM

Over the last month the Chiefs defense is allowing:

16 PPG
311 YPG
213 PYPG
98 RYPG

They will still get no respect, but at some point it becomes a trend, not a fluke.

notorious 11-08-2021 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 15942618)
Over the last month the Chiefs defense is allowing:

16 PPG
311 YPG
213 PYPG
98 RYPG

They will still get no respect, but at some point it becomes a trend, not a fluke.

If our schedule started out with these teams (like buffalo got) the Chiefs would appear as a juggernaut.

rabblerouser 11-08-2021 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 15942618)
Over the last month the Chiefs defense is allowing:

16 PPG
311 YPG
213 PYPG
98 RYPG

They will still get no respect, but at some point it becomes a trend, not a fluke.

Facing Jordan Love, Daniel Jones, and Taylor Henieken during that month, too...

rabblerouser 11-08-2021 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 15942653)
If our schedule started out with these teams (like buffalo got) the Chiefs would appear as a juggernaut.

Kinda what I thought.


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