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Marco Polo 08-28-2018 05:16 PM

I’m fine with this move. Sounds like he has been groomed. Hope he can embrace this long term and stay away from Matheny’s style.


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BigRedChief 08-28-2018 05:58 PM

DJ, Hamas and the other baseball nerds, is this possible?

Listened to two Cardinal podcasts this afternoon. Basic premise is that Ozuna still has value. You trade him with your surplus position players and pitching to get a top offensive prospect. Possible?

Offer Harper $300-$350 million in day one of FA. Any chance of that happening than a couple of months ago?

Or are these podcasters talking out their ass?

VAChief 08-28-2018 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 13697337)
DJ, Hamas and the other baseball nerds, is this possible?

Listened to two Cardinal podcasts this afternoon. Basic premise is that Ozuna still has value. You trade him with your surplus position players and pitching to get a top offensive prospect. Possible?

Offer Harper $300-$350 million in day one of FA. Any chance of that happening than a couple of months ago?

Or are these podcasters talking out their ass?

Who are these surplus position players? What pitchers? I don’t see great value in Ozuna unless he comes back and finishes strong with more consistent power, then yes I think some American League teams may have some interest where if his arm starts to fall off again at least he could DH.

They can certainly put an attractive package together with the pitching they have. I’m not sure we will ever be able to pull off a Kent Bottenfield for Edmonds type trade again with all the analytics available, but there are still some stupid front office guys out there.

VAChief 08-28-2018 07:08 PM

Ray Ray looks like he could still play. Talented, hard nosed player on some pretty shitty teams.

BigRedChief 08-28-2018 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by VAChief (Post 13697415)
Who are these surplus position players? What pitchers? I don’t see great value in Ozuna unless he comes back and finishes strong with more consistent power, then yes I think some American League teams may have some interest where if his arm starts to fall off again at least he could DH.

They can certainly put an attractive package together with the pitching they have. I’m not sure we will ever be able to pull off a Kent Bottenfield for Edmonds type trade again with all the analytics available, but there are still some stupid front office guys out there.

they didn’t say which pitcher. Just listed off our young pitchers.

Thought it was weird that two podcasts were promoting the same thing.

Every one of these podcasts also assume that Fowler is gone. If so, glad to see Dewitt write off $50 million. But, wtf is he supposed to do? He plays Fowler next year it’s only about the money and not winning.

Marcellus 08-28-2018 08:16 PM

Cards rolling damn well again tonight.

'Hamas' Jenkins 08-28-2018 08:44 PM

I'll say it again: Hicks is terrifying.

BigRedChief 08-28-2018 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 13697596)
I'll say it again: Hicks is terrifying.

he needs to be throwing more off speed stuff. Hitters can time 100 mph fastballs these days.

DJ's left nut 08-28-2018 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 13697634)
he needs to be throwing more off speed stuff. Hitters can time 100 mph fastballs these days.

Can't throw offspeed when you're always behind 2-0.

That's why it's so critical for him to throw first pitch strikes - it allows him to get to breaking ball counts. If he can't get ahead, he has to just hump heaters up there and they just look to serve them up the middle and oppo.

George Liquor 08-28-2018 09:28 PM

I'll take an 18 inning 2-1 Cubs loss please.

Jewish Rabbi 08-28-2018 09:32 PM

Is Flaherty August pitcher of the month? He has to be in consideration. 4-0 with a 1.08 ERA and 33 strikeouts.

jd1020 08-28-2018 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi (Post 13697680)
Is Flaherty August pitcher of the month? He has to be in consideration. 4-0 with a 1.08 ERA and 33 strikeouts.

http://www.bostonherald.com/sites/de...?itok=Zp1Eqt6N

George Liquor 08-28-2018 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 13697687)

**** off

BigRedChief 08-28-2018 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 13697687)

Scab :harumph:

jd1020 08-29-2018 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by BDj23 (Post 13697724)
**** off

Only twice have pitchers had a month better than Cole Hamels had since Arrieta was a god in 2015, Chris Sale last month and Jordan Zimmerman in 2016.


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