Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 5310723)

Your last point is finally something I can agree with. He is a mediocre coach. Not the horrible one people present him to be.

Originally Posted by RippedmyFlesh (Post 5310727)

I can only hope that during the interview this exchange takes place

Clark: OK if not herm who?

Potential GM: ______________(insert name )
Clark: Fine that's the direction we wil pursue if that's what it takes to get this done.

I can dream:shrug:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 5306188)

So Herm is the only one who can develop these players?

Some of you dumb ****ers should hold a telethon so you can get some free money.

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan (Post 5310720)

Don't you think next year would be a fresh, new start, if we had a, fresh, new coach?

Next year will be a rebuild regardless, nobody could turn this team around in one year, not with Herm as the coach-he will costs us games on game management alone-not really somebody to hitch your wagon to. Herm's record speaks volumes and cannot be ignored, nor can his game-day decisions. Add to that, the number 32 defense and you have a recipe for epic fail.

My, Goodness, why don't some of you want to be the BEST and quit endorsing a LOSER? Endorsing a half-assed coach is a loser's mentality.

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 5306188)

Originally Posted by kcbubb
Brandon Flowers
Brandon Albert
Dwayne Bowe
Maurice Leggett
Brandon Carr
J. Charles
Kolby Smith
Jarrad Page
Tyler Thigpen
Glenn Dorsey
Tank Tyler

Development of these young players. people say they want to win a superbowl. You have to develop a good roster to achieve that. The roster is developing.



So, you don't think Herm has done a good job developing undrafted free agents, rookies, and waived players like:

Brandon Flowers
Brandon Albert
Maurice Leggett
Brandon Carr
J. Charles
Tyler Thigpen????????????

And to answer your question, no I don't think that every coach can develop undrafted or rookie players. When is the last time the chiefs drafted and developed a cornerback?????

Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 5310653)

:shake: I guess people see what they want to see. Don't you remember Hard Knocks when it sure looked like Herm wanted to go with Brodie Croyle from the beginning and Carl threw a wet blanket on the idea by saying something about going with the guy who was most likely to help win games now (regardless of the long range consequences)?

Originally Posted by CrazyCoffey (Post 5304549)

I'm 35 and I like watching the events unfold. I don't like to watch them lose, but I won't sulk very long about it when they do. We haven't won a playoff in 15 years, but we've been in the playoffs fairly regularly until recent.

Last years sucked balls but this year I saw hope, hope that carl/clark/herm were about to try something different. They did, they did START something different. Carl obviously had to be the first headpiece to leave, because it was so far off from what he wants to do, a philosophy relying more heavily on free agents. One that worked for him for a long time too.

I really think Herm got the ball rolling on this change, sold the idea to clark (which in turn got carl out of here) he has the player's attention, and the players are learning/improving. We aren't watching the same game if you are going to tell me you can't see some steady improvements with several players on both sides of the ball. We've come close to winning some big games against some pretty good teams with mostly rookies, and rookies that weren't even our starting rookies at the begining of the season in some cases.

Yes that is why I say I don't think Herm is a bad coach.

I've seen him make some mistakes on the sideline, and it pisses me off too. But I think he stays unless it becomes a deal breaker for the new GM. If that happens, I won't be off sulking, I'll be very interested and tuned in to find out who the new coach will be.

But the bottom line is, I don't have a single damn thing to say about who it is, the new GM or if a new coach comes in. some of the arguing here is downright ignorant.

BTW - I contest your self promoted title as "realist" - I believe I'm the one being a realist and you are being a Meccamist.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 5310743)

Patteeu, I'm with you.
http://fantasyfootball.usatoday.com/...Nfl&majteam=KC
"The two got along at first, but Herm's desire to rebuild was met at every step with resistance from Peterson. Chairman Clark Hunt sided with Herm in the offseason, but his upcoming GM hire may still want his own coach in place. Edwards' future remains very up in the air, but another year would not surprise."

Those who act like Herm should have overpowered Carl Peterson have no idea how the system works. Did anyone see how the Lane Kiffin thing went down? You revolt against your GM, and you get fired. That's not Herm's fault, that's Carl's fault for being so stubborn. Yet, this was a pattern. Herm wanted to rebuild, Carl didn't. We know who was right on that one. Herm wanted to suspend LJ, Carl didn't. Herm was right there too.

I think it speaks volumes that Clark Hunt quickly forced Peterson's resignation but is still unsure about Herm. I think he's smart enough to know who is most responsible for this mess, and it's clearly Carl Peterson. Now, I think Herm has done enough this season to lose his job, but this team wouldn't be nearly as bad if Peterson listened to him in the first place and blew up this team a year ago.

Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 5310735)

Did you actually think you read an endorsement in that post? :spock:

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 5310743)

Patteeu, I'm with you.
http://fantasyfootball.usatoday.com/...Nfl&majteam=KC
"The two got along at first, but Herm's desire to rebuild was met at every step with resistance from Peterson. Chairman Clark Hunt sided with Herm in the offseason, but his upcoming GM hire may still want his own coach in place. Edwards' future remains very up in the air, but another year would not surprise."

Those who act like Herm should have overpowered Carl Peterson have no idea how the system works. Did anyone see how the Lane Kiffin thing went down? You revolt against your GM, and you get fired. That's not Herm's fault, that's Carl's fault for being so stubborn. Yet, this was a pattern. Herm wanted to rebuild, Carl didn't. We know who was right on that one. Herm wanted to suspend LJ, Carl didn't. Herm was right there too.

I think it speaks volumes that Clark Hunt quickly forced Peterson's resignation but is still unsure about Herm. I think he's smart enough to know who is most responsible for this mess, and it's clearly Carl Peterson. Now, I think Herm has done enough this season to lose his job, but this team wouldn't be nearly as bad if Peterson listened to him in the first place and blew up this team a year ago.

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 5310752)

Carls the debil and Herm sits at the right hand of Jesus?

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 5310756)

Yep, your bleeding 110% Herm now..

Sorry.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 5310764)

That's pretty funny that anytime anybody says anything 1% positive of Herm, that's the impression people get.

I've said multiple times that Herm is not a good gameday coach. But if you're going to blame the Chiefs for personnel problems, blame the right person. There's debate about whether Herm can coach up players. But it is undebatable that from a personnel standpoint, Carl Peterson screwed this roster up from 1999-2005 by bringing in worthless but expensive free agents, extending contracts for players like Bartee who sucked, and being the worst drafting team in the NFL. I don't know the exact stats, but I believe they were both among the worst drafters in the NFL AND the oldest team in the NFL. That's a really bad combination. So when we talk about developing players, realize that while most teams have a strong foundation of young players to work with, Herm has been forced to rely on more second day draft picks and undrafted players than most coaches would ever have to work with.

Blame coaching decisions and arguably development of players on Herm. Blame the personnel/rebuild problems on Carl. That's all I'm saying.

Originally Posted by kcbubb (Post 5310731)

How exactly has he developed Jamal Charles? Has Charles done something I'm unaware of? He's a 3rd round talent that was advertised as having great speed. So far, what has Herm done with him? He's no superstar, he's exactly what we thought he was when we drafted him.

If you think Herm is the one who developed Thigpen, I have some ocean front property in Nebraska to sell you.

I'll give Herm Carr and Leggette. Flowers and Albert were already super talented.

Keep grasping at those straws.