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SAUTO 02-10-2009 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5477611)
Uh no he's rated high because he's athletic, BEING FROM THE SPREAD MEANS HE HAS LITTLE EXPERIENCE RUN AND DRIVE BLOCKING WHICH DRAWS A FLAG FROM ME.

Jesus Christ is this really hard to understand?
nope he's rated high because he's protected his qb(in the spread of course, which made himm look better, the ball comes out faster)

Brock 02-10-2009 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by prhom (Post 5477593)
The best analogy I can think of for why I don't want to draft a quarterback and stick with Thigpen for now is this:

The Chiefs drafting a QB is like buying a $3000 set of rims to put on a $500 chevy cavalier.

Why waste the money and time drafting a QB when they aren't going to make your team any better? Thigpen has the ability to overcome the weaknesses of our o-line (read: the boy can run!). Sure he may not be as good behind an awesome line as Croyle or Sanchez or any other QB crush people have, but he has shown that he can at least make the defense pay for strictly playing pass or run.
LOL, the QB is the rims? I'd think the QB would be more like fixing the steering on a ****ed up car.

Mecca 02-10-2009 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 5477615)
nope he's rated high because he's protected his qb(in the spread of course, which made himm look better, the ball comes out faster)
You really should go register at WPI you'd fit in well over there.

doomy3 02-10-2009 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5477602)
Shutting down some slapdick in college and doing it successfully against the best of the best in the NFL are different things.
I'm not arguing that fact at all. But I have repeatedly seen Mecca say he wouldn't take an OLineman from a spread offense.

Now that only thing I can draw from that is because the spread covers some of the lines defaults. If linemen operating in the spread is actually HARDER for them as Mecca is saying in this thread, then shouldn't we be trying to draft them?

Reaper16 02-10-2009 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by prhom (Post 5477593)
The best analogy I can think of for why I don't want to draft a quarterback and stick with Thiggy for now is this:

The Chiefs drafting a QB is like buying a $3000 set of rims to put on a $500 chevy cavalier.
This, actually, perfectly sums up the difference between the pro-Thigpen camp and the pro-1st round QB camp:

Some posters see the QB position as the rims on a car. Other posters see he QB as the engine of the car.

ChiefsCountry 02-10-2009 07:18 PM
Man between this and reading all those WPI threads I have a headache now.

CrazyHorse 02-10-2009 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5477566)
I can't believe I'm actually watching people say that running the spread helps your OL when it leaves them unprotected..

Is this bizarro world?

It's one of the reasons I have serious questions about a guy like Jason Smith being rated so high as an OT, yes he's athletic, yes he can pass block but he literally never lines up with his hand on the ground and has very little experience run blocking or drive blocking.

I can appreciate your aggrivation. Though spreading the offense doesn't help the O line it does help the QB. The state of the O line when we went to the spread was a disaster. Basically your choices were to line up behind center, hike the ball and be running for your life before you could get a 5 step drop, or to be set at the snap looking for your target.

The O line was a big reason we had to go to the spread because they gave no time for the drop back.

Listen people, we couldn't run, we couldn't pass, we couldn't do squirt until we went to the shotgun. Part of that reason may have been the QB. But there's no doubt the O line couldn't hold a block long enough to do anything else.

Going to a spread may hurt an O lineman that can normally hold a block. But if you are a turnstyle then you have no choice but to go to shotgun. Not being able to run the ball only made it worse.

Mecca 02-10-2009 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5477618)
I'm not arguing that fact at all. But I have repeatedly seen Mecca say he wouldn't take an OLineman from a spread offense.

Now that only thing I can draw from that is because the spread covers some of the lines defaults. If linemen operating in the spread is actually HARDER for them as Mecca is saying in this thread, then shouldn't we be trying to draft them?
I wouldn't use a top 10 pick on a OT from the spread that has little to no experience run blocking or lining up with his hand on the ground..

Top 10 OT's should be nearly complete players not players who need to completely learn how to do an entire facet of the game.

SAUTO 02-10-2009 07:19 PM
[QUOTE=doomy3;5477618]I'm not arguing that fact at all. But I have repeatedly seen Mecca say he wouldn't take an OLineman from a spread offense.

Now that only thing I can draw from that is because the spread covers some of the lines defaults. If linemen operating in the spread is actually HARDER for them as Mecca is saying in this thread, then shouldn't we be trying to draft them?[/QUOTE]

he has actually said that it hides their faults

doomy3 02-10-2009 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 5477619)
This, actually, perfectly sums up the difference between the pro-Thigpen camp and the pro-1st round QB camp:

Some posters see the QB position as the rims on a car. Other posters see he QB as the engine of the car.
Not at all. That is just this guy's opinion.

Mecca 02-10-2009 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by CrazyHorse (Post 5477623)
I can appreciate your aggrivation. Though spreading the offense doesn't help the O line it does help the QB. The state of the O line when we went to the spread was a disaster. Basically your choices were to line up behind center, hike the ball and be running for your life before you could get a 5 step drop, or to be set at the snap looking for your target.

The O line was a big reason we had to go to the spread because they gave no time for the drop back.

Listen people, we couldn't run, we couldn't pass, we couldn't do squirt until we went to the shotgun. Part of that reason may have been the QB. But there's no doubt the O line couldn't hold a block long enough to do anything else.

Going to a spread may hurt an O lineman that can normally hold a block. But if you are a turnstyle then you have no choice but to go to shotgun. Not being able to run the ball only made it worse.
It helps QB's who can't read defenses or drop back properly.

OnTheWarpath15 02-10-2009 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 5477606)
damn Trent Green(who we were talking about) was on the team in 1997?
I thought you meant Gonzalez.

You know, TG.

TG almost universally means Gonzo around here, Trent is either TrINT, Trent, or Green.

ChiefsCountry 02-10-2009 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by CrazyHorse (Post 5477623)
I can appreciate your aggrivation. Though spreading the offense doesn't help the O line it does help the QB. The state of the O line when we went to the spread was a disaster. Basically your choices were to line up behind center, hike the ball and be running for your life before you could get a 5 step drop, or to be set at the snap looking for your target.

The O line was a big reason we had to go to the spread because they gave no time for the drop back.

Listen people, we couldn't run, we couldn't pass, we couldn't do squirt until we went to the shotgun. Part of that reason may have been the QB. But there's no doubt the O line couldn't hold a block long enough to do anything else.

Going to a spread may hurt an O lineman that can normally hold a block. But if you are a turnstyle then you have no choice but to go to shotgun. Not being able to run the ball only made it worse.
And that crappy OL gave up more sacks in the spread than they did in normal pro set.

ChiefsCountry 02-10-2009 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5477630)
I thought you meant Gonzalez.

You know, TG.

TG almost universally means Gonzo around here, Trent is either TrINT, Trent, or Green.
No kidding I thought he was talking about Gonzo as well.

SAUTO 02-10-2009 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by CrazyHorse (Post 5477623)
Not being able to run the ball only made it worse.
WHAT lj averaged 4.8 yards a carry. on that subject to OTW: if he ran the ball 20 times had a 63 yard rush and 19 1 yard rushes he would have a 4 YPC avg would you call that effective?


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