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Frazod 04-14-2010 08:54 PM

Winner winner chicken dinner.

DJ's left nut 04-14-2010 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6675524)
There is nothing better than facing a batter who swings at the first pitch.

Yeah, but a pinch hitter against Franklin - it's the right move.

Franklin lives off first pitch strikes. He made his bones last year by throwing a get-ahead strike and then attacking hitters from ahead in the count.

As the season progressed, guys realized what Franklin was doing and that he didn't have the raw stuff to overpower them with that first pitch strike.

And pinch hitters need to go up there attacking, IMO. They don't have their eye in place, they're not terribly likely to draw a walk anyway.

Combine Franklin's tendencies with the fact that a pinch hitter was up there and if I'm managing the Astros, I'm pissed if the guy's not first-pitch swinging.

DJ's left nut 04-14-2010 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6675519)
I can respect that, but he's been nails tonight and hadn't thrown 90 pitches.

JMO.

Yeah, but your opinion is different than mine and therefore wrong.

Sorry, I don't make the rules.

'Hamas' Jenkins 04-14-2010 08:57 PM

The difference is that Franklin is still a spot nibbler, and as such, you aren't going to get "meat".

His decline meshed perfectly with the normalization of his BABIP.

Frazod 04-14-2010 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 6675544)
Yeah, but your opinion is different than mine and therefore wrong.

Sorry, I don't make the rules.

We're going to have to change your name to Dane's Left Nut. LMAO

DJ's left nut 04-14-2010 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6675546)
The difference is that Franklin is still a spot nibbler, and as such, you aren't going to get "meat".

His decline meshed perfectly with the normalization of his BABIP.

That's why you swing at the first pitch.

He's a nibbler when he's ahead in the count. However, watch him pitch - his first pitch is rarely a good one on the black. He generally comes to the strike zone until he gets ahead in the count.

Once he gets you to 0-1, you're going to have to hit his pitch. When he's ahead in the count, he will nibble you to death. However, on his first pitch, you'll get something tasty to swing at until he makes an adjustment to the hitters.

The way to get to Ryan Franklin is to swing early.

BigRedChief 04-14-2010 10:46 PM

They found a way to get it done. Taking care of business. Get the sweep tommorrow.

Chief Henry 04-15-2010 07:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6675524)
There is nothing better than facing a batter who swings at the first pitch.

Somewhere in that great Busch Stadium in the sky Jack Buck was calling him out on that. I smiled a bit last night when the TV annoncers made the same observation.

Who is BOOG and the Big Sweat :shrug:

BigRedChief 04-15-2010 07:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Henry (Post 6676035)
Somewhere in that great Busch Stadium in the sky Jack Buck was calling him out on that. I smiled a bit last night whent he TV annoncers made the same observation.

I spent many a summer night as a youth listening to Jack Buck and Harey Carey call a Cardinals game.:thumb:

Chief Henry 04-15-2010 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 6676041)
I spent many a summer night as a youth listening to Jack Buck and Harey Carey call a Cardinals game.:thumb:

:thumb:

Same here...I'm afraid with the advent of Direct TV and the FSM channels, the young of today will not be able to grow up with the pictures in our minds
like we were able to with Jack Buck. He's in the hall of Fame for a reason.

Alton deFlat 04-15-2010 07:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 6676041)
I spent many a summer night as a youth listening to Jack Buck and Harey Carey call a Cardinals game.:thumb:

Same here. It was not unusual for me to go to sleep, with a transistor radio under my pillow, listening to the Cardinals when they were playing on the west coast.

BigRedChief 04-15-2010 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 6675576)
That's why you swing at the first pitch.

He's a nibbler when he's ahead in the count. However, watch him pitch - his first pitch is rarely a good one on the black. He generally comes to the strike zone until he gets ahead in the count.

Once he gets you to 0-1, you're going to have to hit his pitch. When he's ahead in the count, he will nibble you to death. However, on his first pitch, you'll get something tasty to swing at until he makes an adjustment to the hitters.

The way to get to Ryan Franklin is to swing early.

He's got the job done. Yeah, it was the Astros but its something positive. It's in our best interests to have him succeed.

From STLtoday:

Franklin got the official save but Reyes got the biggest out after he had walked Michael Bourn to load the bases. Pitching coach Dave Duncan had said something the other day about Reyes' modus operandi. Duncan said: "When he has to throw a strike, he generally does. He doesn't like to throw too many before that."

BigRedChief 04-15-2010 07:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Henry (Post 6676047)
:thumb:

Same here...I'm afraid with the advent of Direct TV and the FSM channels, the young of today will not be able to grow up with the pictures in our minds
like we were able to with Jack Buck. He's in the hall of Fame for a reason.

I'm sure there were millions of us doing that same thing in multiple states. Nice to have the same shared experiences with fellow fans in places you never heard of or been to as a kid. :thumb:

raybec 4 04-15-2010 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 6676076)
I'm sure there were millions of us doing that same thing in multiple states. Nice to have the same shared experiences with fellow fans in places you never heard of or been to as a kid. :thumb:

I have to say I never heard Jack and Harry enough to make a comment but listening to Jack play the straight man to a drunken Mike Shannon was always entertaining.

Frazod 04-15-2010 01:51 PM

Looks like we're about to get beat by ****ing Houston.

How embarrassing. :shake:


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