So which players outside of round one and two where such amazing values that led to huge contributions on the offensive line last year?

I for one will take Asamoah in the third over anyone selected from the 3rd-7th rounds last year.

FTR, Urbick's been a disaster in Pittsburgh and was my selection in the third round last year.

just remember...

our board guru took Clausen #1 overall (#48) and Bruce Campbell in the 1st round (he fell to what, pick #106?)...

This is the guy that says the Chiefs don't understand value.

Are Tight Ends more necessary than ILB's and pass rushers, when you have neither?

I guess you don't understand football, because even KC Johnny wouldn't argue that the TE position is more important than having a solid front 7.

Cody and Joseph fell to the 5th round? I must have missed that.

Baltimore runs a 43 base defense. Now I've heard everything.

The broadcasters specifically said that Cody and Kelly Gregg will likely split the NT reps in Baltimore's 34 defense.

Speaking of expecting instant success...

Didn't we just draft a nickle back last year?

I'm pretty sure we drafted a kick returner last year as well.

And I know we traded up for a tight end last year as well.

Seems like our own Executive of the Decade is guilty of what you just (inaccurately) accused me of.

As is Scott Pioli's. And looking at his overall draft history, I would say putting much stock in his opinions is a mistake.

Hamas took Bruce Campbell over Anthony Davis...

He's our draft guru, ladies and gentleman.

I said this same exact thing earlier in the thread. I don't don't give a **** if a guy runs a 4.3 but can't play the game.

Conversely, I don't give a **** if a guy runs a 4.7 but is seen making plays all over the field.

Football is about instinct and preparation. While the ideal player is fast, instinctive and prepares (like an Eric Berry), guys that aren't fast but are instinctive and prepared can prosper in the NFL.

You care about the wonderlic score of a fat guy who takes up blockers lol, you don't even have to have a brain to do what a NT does.

Todd Haley's hate of fat people is going to not allow us to run this scheme properly, NT's are fat get over it.

I'm personally looking forward to have 7 draft picks with "C"s on their jersey.

With all of these "Captains" we may need an Admiral or something ROFL

No need to read any further.

4.7 yards per carry allowed, 31st in the league.

The last ranked team allowed 4.8 yards per carry.

To allow an AVERAGE of almost 5 yards a carry in this league, you have to be giving up a lot of big runs.

Dorsey missed one game.

And IIRC, the Ravens ran for over 200 yards in the opener.

oh man I'm so angry we didn't draft a 5th round NT Cam Thomas who probably can't even read!

the talk on him is he is lazy and takes plays off...

Excuse me for not caring we passed on that guy.

How did we ignore what the value of the draft is? Because we didn't load up on all defensive players?

I'm just failing to understand all the negativity surrounding getting playmakers. People for years on end on this board claim we had no playmakers at all on this team and we needed to get them.

We add a playmaker in McCluster and 2 potentially in the secondary in Berry and Arenas and this has turned into "Pioli only wants choir boys on his team".

I'm sorry, I'm not going to cry over the fact that we didn't get a 2 down fat pig like Cody, who only really offered a warm body to put on the defensive line, instead of someone like Arenas who could do a lot of things in terms of coverage (I'm tired of seeing Brandon Flowers put on slot receivers last year) and in the return game where we had zero production all year.

Our team speed improved tremendously. I'm just not seeing all this constant negativity. As Dane said, it's a lot easier to get inside linebackers and fat bodied NTs than it is to get playmakers like McCluster.

Some of you are also taking this "team captain" bullshit too far. Yes, I'm sure the only criteria was that they were the team captains and not players that could be difference makers. It's not like they don't have a whole productive body of college work to show their abilities. It's just that they are the team captains.

Good ****ing grief.

But we need a kick returner/slot CB more, if they wanted to take McCluster I can somewhat accept that, but to turn around and take another returner and ignore the front 7 is criminal.

I don't think it is so ridiculous.

Welker is 5-9 185lbs
McCluster 5-9 170lbs

And at this point I would say McCluster is more explosive than Welker.

yeah and if you watched the opener...you know that it was the pass that really killed us...

they opened up their running game by gashing us with the pass over and over and over again for three quarters...and then Ray Rice put us away after our entire D was totally gassed...

But hey...

If you haven't noticed, all NT's scouting reports say this. Being 340lbs generally means you are a bit lazy, but in case you missed it, it's required to properly run the damn defense.