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BossChief 03-07-2014 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 10471828)
Albert wants too much money, Asamoah sucks, Schwartz we don't know if we are going to lose or not for sure but, it is going to be costly since other teams are wanting him as well.

1) Fisher is getting 5.5 million per year...the difference between that and what Albert wants isn't some wide Chasm. If the pick had been used elsewhere, signing Albert wouldn't be a big deal.

2) Asamoah doesn't suck, that's silly. His only off year was this year where he was learning a brand new blocking scheme. He only gave up 2 sacks all of last year.

3) Starters get starter pay. I'd bet ANYTHING that he doesn't sign some crazy deal. He will get average starter pay and that's money we should be giving him IMO.

penguinz 03-07-2014 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 10471852)
1) Fisher is getting 5.5 million per year...the difference between that and what Albert wants isn't some wide Chasm. If the pick had been used elsewhere, signing Albert wouldn't be a big deal.

2) Asamoah doesn't suck, that's silly. His only off year was this year where he was learning a brand new blocking scheme. He only gave up 2 sacks all of last year.

3) Starters get starter pay. I'd bet ANYTHING that he doesn't sign some crazy deal. He will get average starter pay and that's money we should be giving him IMO.

If we could prorate alberts pay for the time he is actually on the field that would be OK.

TEX 03-07-2014 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 10471852)
1) Fisher is getting 5.5 million per year...the difference between that and what Albert wants isn't some wide Chasm. If the pick had been used elsewhere, signing Albert wouldn't be a big deal.

2) Asamoah doesn't suck, that's silly. His only off year was this year where he was learning a brand new blocking scheme. He only gave up 2 sacks all of last year.

3) Starters get starter pay. I'd bet ANYTHING that he doesn't sign some crazy deal. He will get average starter pay and that's money we should be giving him IMO.


Not that it matters but I don't agree with most of this...

1. It's gonna cost twice as much as Fish is getting paid to sign Albert and that is a wide Chasm. Plus he's missed a lot of games the past two seasons. Not a good trend.

2. Asamoah does suck. Schwartz was learning the same scheme and played head and shoulders above Asasuckamoah. He was also hurt a lot last season, so you never knew when you could count on him. True he only gave up two sacks, BUT how many pressures did he give up? How many more sacks would he had given up had Alex Smith not been mobile? How many times was the run stuffed because he didn't block his man? No way I go out of my way to sign this guy.

DaWolf 03-07-2014 12:10 PM

Considering that Andy Reid puts the highest priority when building a team (outside of QB) on the guys in the trenches (OL, DL) and corners, there's no way there isn't a plan in place to make improvements in those areas. Especially considering his last year in Philly fell apart because of lack of healthy OLinemen.

I suspect we just aren't hearing much about the Chiefs plans with the line because they don't have anyone with loose lips in the front office, and Dorsey plays it close to the vest...

TEX 03-07-2014 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DaWolf (Post 10471886)
Considering that Andy Reid puts the highest priority when building a team (outside of QB) on the guys in the trenches (OL, DL) and corners, there's no way there isn't a plan in place to make improvements in those areas. Especially considering his last year in Philly fell apart because of lack of healthy OLinemen.

I suspect we just aren't hearing much about the Chiefs plans with the line because they don't have anyone with loose lips in the front office, and Dorsey plays it close to the vest...


That's exactly the case. Dorsey and Reid have both learned first hand how important an OL is and how not having talent/depth there can and will kill your football team.

RealSNR 03-07-2014 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by TEX (Post 10471894)
That's exactly the case. Dorsey and Reid have both learned first hand how important an OL is and how not having talent/depth there can and will kill your football team.

That's why we should spend average starting guard money on Schwartz.

It's WAY the **** cheaper than burning draft stock + 1st round salary on the position for a dude who might suck ass or not be able to contribute to close to his full potential until 2-3 years in his career.

htismaqe 03-07-2014 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by WhiteWhale (Post 10471768)
Of course there's also the fact that fans have watched KC, for decades, treat the OL as if it is more important than Quarterback.

You hit the nail squarely on the head right here.

You're right, the truth is somewhere in between. But this is KC, we're not average in the slightest. Working on a quarter century without a playoff win.

htismaqe 03-07-2014 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by TEX (Post 10471874)
Not that it matters but I don't agree with most of this...

1. It's gonna cost twice as much as Fish is getting paid to sign Albert and that is a wide Chasm. Plus he's missed a lot of games the past two seasons. Not a good trend.

And Fisher is getting paid twice as much as Donald Stephenson, who is a better LT.

htismaqe 03-07-2014 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DaWolf (Post 10471886)
Especially considering his last year in Philly fell apart because of lack of healthy OLinemen.

GROSS oversimplification.

Chief Roundup 03-07-2014 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 10471852)
1) Fisher is getting 5.5 million per year...the difference between that and what Albert wants isn't some wide Chasm. If the pick had been used elsewhere, signing Albert wouldn't be a big deal.

2) Asamoah doesn't suck, that's silly. His only off year was this year where he was learning a brand new blocking scheme. He only gave up 2 sacks all of last year.

3) Starters get starter pay. I'd bet ANYTHING that he doesn't sign some crazy deal. He will get average starter pay and that's money we should be giving him IMO.

Albert has turned down offers that average over 10 mil a year. That is a pretty big difference. Especially when Albert is nothing more than an average LT with health issues. Evidently this coaching staff didn't think much of him, Asamoah, by the middle to end of the season. Asamoah might be better in another system but, it doesn't appear that he is going to be back here because of the way he played in the system we currently use. I too hope we resign Schwartz.

ThaVirus 03-07-2014 01:46 PM

He's not an "average" tackle. Give that shit a rest..

DaWolf 03-07-2014 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10471922)
GROSS oversimplification.

Bad play by Vick, turnovers, defensive failings, etc. But a lot of it centered around OL injuries, which led to Vick getting pounded, which led to turnovers, etc. It was a big factor in that record...

htismaqe 03-07-2014 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 10472068)
Asamoah might be better in another system but, it doesn't appear that he is going to be back here because of the way he played in the system we currently use.

Big John played better in a zone blocking scheme. Reports (and late season games) suggest that we're moving towards more of a zone blocking scheme this season and doing away with the system we used last year.

htismaqe 03-07-2014 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DaWolf (Post 10472117)
Bad play by Vick, turnovers, defensive failings, etc. But a lot of it centered around OL injuries, which led to Vick getting pounded, which led to turnovers, etc. It was a big factor in that record...

Vick gets pounded because he has zero pocket presence. Yes, the line had injuries but that team had more warts than just the o-line.

RealSNR 03-07-2014 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 10472095)
He's not an "average" tackle. Give that shit a rest..

I think it's a coping mechanism.

"I never wanted that ****er anyway! Glad he's gone!"


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