How many times did I say that the rookie excuse isn't for an entire season? Or did you not actually read my posts?

I'm using that as an excuse for the first 3 games, which I think is completely reasonable.

I have been saying throughout this thread that I fully expect his role to grow as the season goes on which is exactly what Andy is saying there.

It's EXACTLY the scenario where you'd expect to see Moore as a bigger part of the gameplan if it were something Reid were looking to prioritize.

But he isn't. Despite the fact that he's done exactly this sort of thing with rookies in the past.

And there's SOME reason for that. Sure sounds like he needs a 'package of plays' to generate production so maybe he's not ready yet. {gasp}

"it's almost as if this is exactly what I've been saying!"

I agree. This post is pretty damning towards Andy and EB

Sounded like bullshit coach speak to me.

"Couldn't find the right time" aka we didn't build up a lead to have time to **** around.

Because in a game where we scored 17 points there wasn't a "right time" to unleash these plays?

Any sort of moment to generate offense seemed like the right time.

They were so badly in need of offense they busted out the goddamn flea flicker.

It could just as easily be considered damning towards Moore.

Besides, I think they may just be running a little cover for the kid. He was NOT in a good mindset after that first punt gack and the 2nd punt pretty clearly demonstrated it.

It's possible they were just trying to keep things from snowballing on him. Because all else being equal, it does seem like a perfect opportunity and if they had a package for him, that suggests they might have realized that as well.

But then they shelved them. So is it some nebulous "well our 1st downs weren't great" answer or is it just as likely (if not moreso) that it was really "hey, we don't want to further mind-**** the kid and if he's not in a great state of mind right now, it only increases the odds of that sort of thing happening..."

And that's especially the case if they intended to keep him on the return unit. I mean if he drops/fumbles a ball and then a couple minutes later has to field ANOTHER punt...yikes. That's just a disaster waiting to happen, especially with as poorly as Indy was moving the football.

Flea Flicker: Right play at the right time.

Moore package: Naaaaah.

Highly suspect.

I am not disagreeing with you just pointing it out. If Skyy continues to not get many snaps\targets\receptions as the season progresses we have a problem.

Also a possibility and an even less flattering one.

"Well we couldn't pull out the blowout scripts so we didn't get the ball to him..."

In either event, kinda hard to take that at face value. As you noted, it doesn't really pass the sniff test.

Also mine, but a lot of people were furious at the idea of using a high pick on a WR. I honestly liked Moore and I'm hopeful, but 100% this needs to be a team loaded on offence and just doing enough on D. Unless there is an insane DE that falls into our laps I hope the 2023 draft is focused on WR and OT.

All the rest in Chris' OP I could get behind, I'd add some new ideas on the OL and general offence to that list. I'm all about Wanogho. It'll probably be a car crash but I wanna see the Prince become a King!

It's normally been on the other side of the ball but it's not like this coaching staff hasn't somewhat of a history of baffling personnel choices.

Wanogho only got 8 snaps yesterday, but he didn't look bad at all.

I'd like to see more of him.

The flea flicker play, man. The moment they busted that out i knew shit wasn't going well.

When do you see the Chiefs run some unoriginal gimmick shit like that under Mahomes?

That play SCREEEEEAMED, "we gotta figure out some real gimicky shit to get our guys open".

That was a really troubling play for them to run, imo.

Coupled with the fake punt.....**** me if the playcalling wasn't starting to feel a bit desperate.

And why would the coaches call some minor-league offense shit like that? Because dudes weren't getting open with traditional routes....

I was reminded of the Patriots going to flea-flickers and shit when they couldn't move the ball and how we all said "Look man - these guys KNOW they can't win straight up..."

Pawnmower, in his brilliance, advised me to fornicate myself.

It was extremely apparent in real time that play was a harbinger of some real 'oh shit, what now?' thought processes from the coaching staff but you just can't get some folks to pay attention these days...

Exactly. Patriots entered my head too.

That play was an eye opener.

True, and I felt the same way, but it worked...:shrug: