You act like the Chiefs are the only team who has ever done this.

But Milk, with your disdain of QB rating and Pro Bowls (not to mention wins, in the case of Smith), how are we (or anyone, for that matter) supposed to quantify a player's worth?

Look, I'm not defending Alex Smith. I wish that a better option would have been available. I see him, numbers-wise, as probably a top 15 guy in terms of yardage and TD's. I think he's capable of providing a 10-12 win season and a playoff win. But if you put the game on his shoulders, it's likely that he won't be able to deliver.

But in that regard, how is he any different than most QB's in the NFL? Peyton Manning is an All-Time Great and how many times in the playoffs has he been able to deliver the goods?

He's just a whiny, dumb ****. He criticizes everyone, yet offers no alternatives. His primary reason for posting is to harass and "insult" anyone that believes the Chiefs are heading in the right direction.

In short, he's a worthless poster.

Are the Chiefs the only team dumb enough to keep repeating the same mistake over and over?

"Snakebit"!

You can not quantify with stats.

You can support certain arguments, but you can not quantify.

John Elway's numbers were somewhat pedestrian through most his careern but if you argued he was anything other than elite, you were either biased or an idiot, or both.

The San Diego Chargers, for example, have drafted three quarterbacks since 1998. Ryan Leaf was a bust, Drew Brees never won a playoff game and Philip Rivers (who's on his last legs in that town).

That's two first round QB's in 16 years and another that would be considered a first rounder today (#32 overall). How many championships have they won?

There is more than one way to build a Super Bowl team.

I think that stats are only part of the equation. I do think that they're important but as you stated, they can be misleading.

So if we're just going to let our eyes be the judge, I'd say that Alex Smith has had a couple of really nice seasons recently and appears to have either put it all together or he's really close to putting it together.

But according to GoChiefs False Narrative (in which he admitted cherry-picking stats in order to promote his point of view), stats are everything. He's formed a narrative in which stats prove that Alex Smith is a bottom-tier QB and he'll continue to be a bottom tier QB, regardless of coaching or scheme.

Personally, I think the truth lies somewhere in between the stats and the eye test. But the quarterback rating, coupled with wins, does tell a pretty compelling story, especially if there are multiple seasons of data available.

There is no good argument in favor of a team not drafting a quarterback for 30 years.

That blames has always lay squarely on the shoulders of the Hunt Family, although I do believe that Pioli, ever the salesman that he is, sold Clark a bad bill of goods.

And for the record, the Pittsburgh Steelers went 25 years between drafting a first round QB, so they weren't far behind.

If only Matt could have been on of these/efficient game manager

There isn't. But, how many times have they been in this position since the 80s?

Don't forget, the NFL in the 90s were much different from today. Back when guys like Mark Rypien won a SB.

The truth does lie somewhere in the middle, which is why I will not completely dismiss the idea that Smith can take a step into the next teir.

This is likely to be a real problem for some. This eye test must be for those with open minds. Those minds that are already closed with hate and bitterness will always twist what they see to fit their agenda.

So for some, no matter what he does.. it will be picked apart and twisted into failure.

+ Plays flawless? The team carried him.
+ Throws a pass that gets intercepted because Baldwin volley-tips it in the air? QB sucks.
+ Throws a 7 yard slant route completion on 1st down? QB sucks because someone somewhere else was perceived to be open for more yards.
+ QB gets sacked in under 2 seconds? QB sucks because the LG allowed instant penetration up the A gap.
+ QB throws for 17 of 18 with 220 yds and a 2:0 TD/INT ratio, yet they lose 24-23? QB should have done more, so he sucks.

Many fans will likely be fair... but some? No..

It's dumbasses like you that fuel the hate.

This forum in no way, shape or form, represents the overall fan base of those living in Kansas City.

In KC, the Smith trade was hailed. On KCChiefs.com, it got something like an 85%+ approval rating. The fans there are psyched. Season ticket sales are up. People are excited.

GoChiefs has created a false narrative and for some reason, people fail to question it and blindly follow it.

Well then, that would make you remarkably impressionable.. showing an inability to focus beyond your childlike emotions onto what you should really be drawing conclusions of. :shrug:

But it has to happen! The only way the chiefs can ever win anything in this league is to trade for geeno at this point!

I know this debate is just starting, but have we considered anyone's opinion of Alex here could be correct and we'll just have to see how it turns out. Opinions have been well documented for the, "I told you so." moments as they are needed.

Yeah, true story. CP is the only site I have come across that exhibits such a level of hate and hostility towards Alex and the forum members with differing points of view.

Solely because of Matt Cassel.

You are one clueless dumbass.

I know what Alex Smith is.

Your Smith slurpage isn't going to sway my opinion, and those with blind hate are not going to sway it.

The people who already hate him are being given more reasons because you come here to regale us with the glory of his cock in your mouth.

Keep in mind, those who "Hate Most" have a history of dumbassery.

Oh sure, GoChiefs likes to pretend that he was "right" about Cassel and Pioli because of 2011 and 2012, but he fails to mention that he wrote articles praising Cassel before he even took a snap, praising Cassel during his dreadful season of 2009 and created threads about Pioli, calling him a "Balla Ass GM".

But he won't talk about those because they are in direct contradiction with the false narrative he's created. And the guy doesn't know a damn about about college football, despite his thoughts on Geno Smith.

He once wrote an article about Brodie Croyle and repeatedly typed the words "Mark Rick" when in reality, Croyle was talking about Georgia head coach, Mark Richt.

I mean, really?

Never met the dude, and I don't go that way anyway. You sure have lots of homosexuality in your mind though. Sounds like you are trying to repress your own gayness for Smith. Either way, it's a childish and impotent attempt on your part. Try and elevate your social skills above this tiresome drivel. You are not gonna manage to hurt anyone's feelings with this kind of dialogue. Grow up.

Yeah, I hear ya. I have "known" many of these people over the years on SF boards.



To everyone including myself at times, we should try harder to talk about the topic at hand instead of getting all upset and talking about posters. I know some of you have developed forum "relationships" with each other over time... but ultimately, this is a forum of anonymous nobodies talking football. Does anyone really give a damn what some anonymous nobody thinks of them personally?

I think we can all rise above interacting like a bunch of silly grade-schoolers... maybe. :facepalm:

This is not true.

I admit I was wrong all the time. I talk about how embarrassed I am that I was in Cassel's corner so much in 2009.

Of course that's still less embarrassing than thinking he could lead the 2012 Chiefs to a playoff win. DANE.

ahhh, okay, now I get it. You refuse to be wrong twice, so you figure hating alex smith from the get go, protects you from looking like a total douche twice. I can relate to that.

well, its clear. Milkman is on his period. Someone give this guy some midol, and tampax, because clearly, he is bleeding badly.

Its okay sally sensitive. It will be okay.

You and Mac both like the niners and browns.
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No. I have made an objective analysis of Alex Smith as best I can. I base my opinion on the fact he doesn't throw the ball down the field, takes a lot of sacks, and doesn't put up a lot of points.

Do not want.

He's just another colossal waste of time at the QB position.

what? I don't care about the Browns at all. :shake:

I don't do subtle insults like you do.

I think you're a useless prick.

My tiresome dfrivel is far honest than your passive agrressive bullshit.

I will never be satisfied until the Chiefs take the plunge. NEVAR.

LMAOMother**** YEAH!

If being considered an asshole means never apologizing for shitty QB's picked by the shitty FO's of this franchise; so be it.

http://www.millionaireplayboy.com/mp...lpatine_00.jpg

So Dorsey, is already a shitty front office huh?

You mean mac, the guy who has NINERS AND CHIEFS in his user name? Hes a BROWNS FAN TOO?

Not likely, but great job at trying to stir that bullshit again. No dice though.

I bet you think that Mac thinks you are plenty useful lol

You're a ****ing infant.

So you are saying they wont expect him to throw it 35 times a game?

I dont know that being an asshole is the worst thing, being an asshole that as an IQ of about 3 is really bad though.

Just change this moron's user name to 'Lil Chiefy already. He's the idiot who is so anxious for it to become part of the Planet lexicon.

Ah, the Three Stooges of Homererotic Lil' Chiefydom.

Just for the heck of it, I went back through Smith's stats for every game for the past 2 years that he started. 25 games regular season, and 2 post season.

In the regular season, Smith threw for a total of 30 TD's and 10 INT's. There were 11 games out of the 25 where Smith threw more than 30 times. In 10 of those games he threw for 11 TD's and 4 INT's... which is roughly right at the same ratio. In the other game... against the G-men... he threw 0 TD's and 3 INT's which skews makes for 11 TD's and 7 INT's which skews the overall ratio.

On his biggest stage of his career at the time... playoff game against the Saints... he was taking on Drew Brees who had thrown for just under 5500 yards, was completing 71% of his passes, and had thrown for 46 TD's. The game got into a shootout in the 4th quarter, and Smith answered Brees not only once, but twice with the game on the line. 42 passes for Smith. 3 TD's and 0 INT's. And the win.

The next week, on his now biggest stage of his career... playoff game against the Giants... he had his team in position to win by leading a TD drive late in the 3rd quarter to take a 14-10 lead. Then the first of the two turnovers on the punts. The Giants take the lead 17-10 midway through the 4th. Smith responds by leading the 49ers to a 1st and 10 at the Giants 15. A 5 yard pass has them at 2nd and 5 on the 10 with 6 minutes plus to go in the game.

Now at this point, Smith threw an incompletion on 2nd down, and completed a short pass for 3 yards to set up a 4th and 2. The 49ers kicked the FG to tie the game at 17.

Did Smith shit his pants on 2nd and 3rd down? Were the play calls conservative to make sure the 49ers were tied at worst? Did the Giants defense just rise to the occasion? :shrug: I really can't comment without seeing the plays.

But bottom line is this. It appears Smith can throw the ball 35 times a game and still take care of the ball. Outside of 1 game, his TD/INT ratio is the same. And his 5 TD - 0 INT performance in the playoffs indicate the stage may not be too big for him to handle.

Your mother should have just swallowed instead.

That's great, Curly.

thanks for the work put in!

Just adding that in that first NYG game, Alex was coming off a finger injury that occurred the week prior. Did it factor into his poor NYG performance? Eh... hard to really say. From memory, one INT was due to the WR/QB not being on the same page. WR ran a route one way.. QB expected a different route.. it was a timing route. On another, Alex got baited well by the DB.. that's on him. The other, yeah, the desperation was upon us, and he had to force one in.

Either way, what you posted is interesting. I hope he doesn't need to put the ball up 30+ times... something in the 20-30 works for me.

The good news is. We are in july. Less than a month until we are full steam ahead to the regular season. Then we can actually bitch about something that matters, instead of the useless bitching we have been doing since march 12th. For those who don't remember, that's the day the trade was made official....

I cant wait......Then we can do some actual bitching and fighting that is worth something.

The truth is, that his finger injury affected him until the cards game. It affected him in the giants game, he couldn't put any oomf on the ball, and everything was a lob, that's why the pass down the left side to delanie on the wheel route, was a floater, instead of the normal straight line he put on it, and it affected him in the seattle game. He over threw Williams who was open twice on streak routes horribly. I for one though, will make no excuses. Alex didn't, he just said he sucked, and moved on, because that's what real men do. They own it, and move on. They don't make mistakes, and they don't need their linemen to defend them to the media. They own it, keep their head up, and move on.

from the very beginning of the trade I have said Alex Smith is playing some decent ball these past few seasons and what I like is how he came back after the playoff loss and was even more crisp in the way he ran the offense and his play was much more focused, he played faster and looked better doing it.

I expect more of that. in fact, I expect much better passing stats with Bowe and Charles going YAC mania.

Playoff team folks

I agree. It's just hard to see where the "if he has to put it up 35 times that bad things are going to happen" logic is coming from. And from the two playoff games, it appears the team could rely of Smith to carry the team if need be... even if being a "game manager" is more his strength.

May as well post what I have been reading here... good, long article worth checking out.

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/7...ndency-breaker

Andy Reid's passing game: The ultimate tendency Breaker

this team is in the upper half of NFL teams in terms of talent at the right positions. But, they play in the "Manning Division" so, there's that. They need to set their goals at securing a wild card spot, at very least. As they say, once you'r in, it's anybody's move to the big game.

I'm so glad we traded for Dave Kreig Part II.

:thumb: Good read! I can't wait for this to get started. This is the most excitement I have had going into a season in quite some time!

Well, that means they're acquiring Joe Montana II next year, right?

:p

ROFL

We can only hope.

1st for Brady next year?

We can only pray.

Did you get bit by a Lil Chiefy?

LMAO No, I do not want Brady. I do not want ANYONE's left overs at this point.

Draft and play, or go away.

So many Lil' Chiefy's....



































SO FEW BULLETS! :cuss:

He did say "may", so care to name Smith's set of receivers who was clearly better?

You wanted the trial to start...now get in the thread. The court has named you lead prosecutor.

You might as well ask him to explain Einstein's Theory of Relativity because he's completely clueless about NFL personnel, coaches, schemes and players.

He's a Troll. Nothing more, nothing less.

better than drafting John David Booty the 2nd, aka matt barkley....

I hate doing this, because its going to seem that I am defending SDH, but, the article specified, ANDY REIDS best set of receivers. Which I also happen to disagree with. Djax, Maclin, and Avant, are better than the Chiefs receivers as a whole.....

Some will argue that Crabtree, Moss, Manningham, and Ted Ginn are better than the Chiefs currently. I say that's bullshit to the highest regard. Mainly because Dwayne Bowe is clearly the best receiver that Alex Smith will have ever played with. Could you imagine what Kaepernick could do with Dwayne BOWE?

Avant is a turd, but yeah Jackson and Maclin is a better duo

Avant is fine at what he does. Hes a pure possession receiver. He wouldn't be a one or a two on any team, but as a 3, hes just fine......

Also agree, and was thinking that part of the article was a bit.. overly optimistic.

Bowe will be the man, and the TEs and backs will be solid, I expect. The other WRs? Eh... not as optimistic, but open-minded.

that's really nothing new though. Alex Smith last year, didn't know what to expect from Randy Moss, nor Manningham, they got nothing out of Ginn, nor much from Williams, and Aj Jenkins provided nothing. At the very least with the Chiefs, Donnie Avery did catch 60 passes last year in Indy. So he has that going for him here.

Avery was a very underrated signing.

Did Clay accept that bet in your sig? I'd hate for him to be gone for a full year.

Baldwin is going to be a beast this year.

.....at Tight End

LMAO

Fair enough. Early on you probably have to give the edge to that group. Hopefully at the end of the upcoming season that will not be the case.

Baldwin will make us forget about Terrance Copper.

:cuss:/SNR