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Prison Bitch is pissed because you cant trade vets for prospects because of the bust factor
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Jim Bowden hates the trade from the perspective of the return we got. We got ****ed on this trade.
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Royals acquire: P Bud Norris, 2B Jose Altuve, 1B/OF Chris Carter Astros acquire: OF Bubba Starling, SS Orlando Calixte, C Cameron Gallagher, 2B Johnny Giavotella, P Sam Selman, and P Jason Adam |
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Does anyone wanna bite on Moose' 22.7 option for '19?
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I don't think he ever likes a move the Royals make anyway. |
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Did none of LeFebre, Hud or the producers realize that Salvy was telling those kids not to repeat his no-no words before they rolled with the full replay?
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Might as well have put the option at 2.4 billion
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Soto has been smoking hot. |
I need to tell myself no one knows if these guys will be good, the internet is full of morons who act like they know who these guys will be in 5 years.
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KC is trying to make this a great year in DC. |
Fall from Grace in rapid motion. No soup 4 U
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Hope we get decent returns for Moose and Whit
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What will Lucas Dud return?
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One thing that hasn't been talked about much, but this trade deadline will be interesting to watch because so many teams are tanking.
The last couple years, the 2 wild cards has kept a bunch of teams in the race. This year there are so many teams who never had a chance. There looks like 5 teams who are already the playoff teams in the AL, unless you think the Tigers or Twins can catch Cleveland. The National League looks a little more competitive, the NL West is wide open, but we still don't have a feel if the Braves or Phillies will make any big moves or just ride their prospects. This doesn't really feel like a normal year. |
That's just how it goes in KC. If we're buyers, it's a seller's market. If we're sellers, it's a buyer's market. If we have a top pick, nobody is worth the pick or they go right before we pick.
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I’m still not nuts about this deal. Thoughts after gleaning some more and checking with a few guys:
I think the Royals are higher on both Gutierrez and Perkins than the current consensus on those players. I get why they love Perkins. He’s very fast and an excellent defender. The bat will determine if he’s a 4th OF type or a legit starter. He does have a nice walk rate... so if he can continue to develop he hit tool, there’s a high ceiling there. Best case for Perkins would be something like Dyson ... except without the platoon split. If he could provide that defense and 90 percent of the baserunning with the offensive profile Dyson has against RHP, that’s a star, and I think that’s what they’re banking on. Gutierrez is also a Royals player. He’s a plus defender at 3B (and I have to wonder how he’d hold up at 2B, where his offensive profile would play up quite a bit). He can run. Good contact profile. Lots of tools. Ultimately, the Royals kind of returned to their tools-driven focus. We’ll see if it works. The lotto ticket pitcher is, like Elvis Luciano, pretty interesting. 17 and bumping up to 95, with room for more? Interesting. I’d still rather have Kieboom or Antunes and think they might have been able to make that work straight up, but that’s me. |
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I see the Braves as possible trade partners for Moose, and they have a pretty good farm. I don't think we would get the return we would like to get, but still; they could use an upgrade at third.
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Anyone think Whit will get a better haul at least on paper then Herrera did? Even if it's 1 player, I feel like he has more value then moose right now
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Will be interesting to see if his last outing was just a bad day.
@Matt_Winkelman: Looking at it a bit deeper, I get why the Royals moved Herrera now, especially only getting maybe 75 cents on the dollar. Velocity and results have trended down each month |
I watched probably every Royals game between 1999-2011, then because of a new job and a crazy work schedule I haven't been able to follow them the last 5-6 years so I can't speak for that time. This is the first year I can actually sit down and watch them again. I have to say this is by far the worst pitching staff I have ever seen.
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Quite possible this was DMs first admission Busta Starling is finished as a prospect. It's obv now that Perkins the CF is the best piece. Why trade for him if you like Starling?
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At the very least, he's out of time, I agree. Just bring him up and put him in CF for the rest of the season, no matter what. If he blows, let him go at the end of the year. Put up or shut up. It's sink or swim time. |
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The problem is that Morel's pretty much impossible for us to judge. He's in the DSL, which is like two steps below short season ball. He's genuinely 7-8 steps removed from the big leagues at this point - there's no way for any of us to get a read on a guy like that. It's fair to wonder how the Nationals got him a year ago as a UDFA on a pittance of a contract and now suddenly the Royals are trading one of their better assets to get him - where was Moore a year ago? But beyond that, I just don't know how anyone can give a good read on him. Guiterrez - meh. Organizational piece; a poor man's Cuthbert. I'd be surprised if he ever 'won' a job on a major league team apart from being an injury fill-in. Parker's defense will get him to the bigs. I really like his approach at the plate and the fact that he's been able to learn to switch hit as a professional without cratering is really impressive; says a lot about his natural hit tool, IMO. I think in time you could get a reasonable facsimile to Jarrod Dyson. I don't think he has Dyson's raw speed, but he's fast. I like him as a potential defense heavy 2-3 win player in CF. Nobody that's going to be a true impact player but a possible starter. Morel makes/breaks the trade in all likelihood but if Parker just becomes something of a poor man's Dyson, that's a pretty good return in its own right. |
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For a half a season's worth of Herrera, I don't know that you could expect much more. |
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I'm not as high as the Nats system as you are, I do think it thins out pretty quickly. But I like Perkins. I'm not sure he'd be quite enough to be the 'headliner' in a deal for an established closer, but Herrera's sometimes balky arm and the possibility that he has some intestinal fortitude issue (his weirdness last year hasn't been forgotten by MLB GMs I'd imagine) perhaps put a damper on his value. When you're getting a rental who's had some flame-outs in the past, there's a chance you get nothing if he has one again. Oftentimes reliability is more important to an organization when they're pursuing a mid-season rental than pure upside is. That may explain the lack of a true 'anchor' piece in this return. |
Seems like the Herrera trade was as good as it was gonna get. Nobody's gonna cough up premiums for rental players.
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All 3 of those pieces have the potential to pay off the trade and then some. Gutierrez’s offensive profile plays a lot better as a 2B or util guy, but he could be a really valuable one. |
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The Reds got 3 good pieces from us, ESP Cody Reed who was #30 overall in the next BA rankings. All 3 sucked ass for them. Way better pieces than we got here obv. |
Just out of curiosity - how good could a team filled with players who came up with the Royals be - right now? Let's say the criteria is they were either drafted or spent the majority of their minor leagues with the Royals.
C - Perez 1B - Hos 2B - Whit SS - Modesi? 3B - Moose LF - Gordo? CF - Dyson? RF - Myers DH - Bring back Beltran lol? SP - Greinke SP - Duffy SP - ? SP - ? SP - ? RP - Herrera RP - Holland RP - ? Who am I forgetting about? |
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That's honestly not that great a team
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So does anyone know if there was been any sort of change in recent years in either the scouting department or in the minor league development system? Since it's no secret the struggles we've had with finding and developing talent, I'd like to hope maybe some changes have been made.
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2B Johnny Giovatella SS Orlando Calixte 3B Cheslor Cuthbert OF Jarrod Dyson OF Will Myers OF Paulo Orlando DH Billy Butler SP Sean Maneaa SP Mike Montgomery SP Zack Greinke SP Mike Minor SP Brandon Finnegan RP Greg Holland RP Kelvin Herrera RP Joakim Soria RP Jeremy Jeffress RP Scott Alexander Yeah, still pretty shitty |
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I don’t like this return. Each of the three guys they got has enough ceiling to make it pay off huge... but they also all have some significant risk. I can see why they did it - and always try to ask myself what the team is seeing/doing when it makes a deal - but I actually don’t agree with it in this case. Like I said, I don’t think they got a surefire everyday player, and that should have happen d for the top reliever on the market, especially this early. |
I thought Soria was a rule 5 guy.
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They’ve shifted their draft focus in recent years and have gone away specifically from spending early picks on the projectable HS arms like Foster Griffin and Scott Blewett and Nolan Watson in the past two years. It’s basically the same team doing the drafts, but different focus. The organization has loosened its pitching development guidelines over the past few years as well and is less focused on forcing guys to be Fb-Change-Curve Arsenal’s. They’re letting guys with great sliders throw the sliders and not taking them away. Part of that was sending Bill Fischer out to pasture. They did a bad job adjusting to the draft after the slot system went into place. I wouldn’t say they’ve struggled to find talent. They just haven’t been as good as a small market needs to be to keep the pipeline pumping. I think there are still some development bugs, but development bugs start as scouting/drafting bugs, IMO. I’m of the camp that believes you need a combination of tools and skills/savvy to develop as a hitter, and he Royals have traditionally been very tools heavy in acquiring players. Bubba Starling is the most talented physical player the royals have probably ever drafted and one of the 10-15 best raw athletic products in the draft in the past decade. Just a great example of tools vs skills. Two cases of bad luck also significantly shift the perception. If Ventura lives and Kyle Zimmer isnt doing his best Sam Jackson impersonation (Mr. Glass), it’s very different. |
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Why make the deal this early unless you really love your return? Hard to argue that this is that kind of 'pull the trigger early because you can't get that much late' return for Moore. Especially for a reliever when there are ALWAYS a few teams looking to add relief pitching at the deadline. Maybe his concern was that more teams would be looking to sell at that point; maybe Britton has recovered his form, maybe Oakland gives up and looks to move Treinan with more control, maybe Cincy peddles Iglesias. There are other teams that could put relievers on the block and potentially dillute the pool. Perhaps Moore was trying to beat that rush. |
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'Hit' isn't a tool - as you've noted, it's a skill. Now some could argue that guys with quick wrists and excellent eyesight are going to naturally be able to hit the ball squarely more often, but there are a lot of guys who fit that bill who never develop a good enough path to the ball to have a playable 'hit tool'...because hit isn't a tool, it's a skill. For an everyday player, the hit tool is the most important and it's not a particularly close question, IMO. Raw power means shit if the hit tool isn't there and it can't translate. Ultimately that's what doomed Starling - his hit tool was abysmal; still is. So his offensive profile was a mansion built on sand. All that raw power and game speed simply didn't matter when he couldn't put barrel to ball. For me, hit tool for hitters and command for pitchers are the key. And I don't mean control - I mean command within the zone. Guys that can command their fastball to all 4 quadrants are so far ahead of everyone else, provided they have basic threshold velocity (91-92 or so for a starting pitcher, IMO). If a pitcher doesn't demonstrate command in the zone, they're probably not gonna get very far unless they're Jordan Hicks and throwing 105. |
How many left handed minor league pitchers did the royals give up during their WS run? Was it two, three, or four? I wanna say three. I'm asking and not looking because I'm sure that someone here knows it
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@BlairKerkhoff: Florida & Royals draft pick Jackson Kowar Ks side for 2nd time vs. Texas. Has 11 Ks, 103 pitches. Gators lead 5-0 T7
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@Shauncore: Hmm... the plot thickens a bit. If the Nationals package was the best offer even after getting into a bidding war (we assume), then either:
Folks overvalued Herrera Royals really like the guys they got Relievers are being undervalued perhaps https://twitter.com/mlbtraderumors/s...35046865903617 |
No, Britton and Familia are about to flood the market. As is Hand, and prob several others given te rampant competitive imbalance right now.
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Re: Kowar - that’s a sick performance. I’m hoping for Michael Wacha sans the shoulder issue (and maybe a little better luck in developing he breaking ball).
Re: Herrera- with that level of competition, concern they sold low can be put to rest. |
Just watched the pregame show. Ryan was interviewing Dayton & they had a long discussion about Luke Heimlich. Dayton has known the kid for years. The tone of the interview made me think they might be interested in him.
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Dunno how a team can ever sign a dude who diddled a 5 year old.
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Nu-Herrera gots the WHEELS y'all
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Don't watch porn, but diddling kids is cool.
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Speaking of Herrera...he might pitch tonight for the Nats. MLBN is showing the game. |
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15 year olds do funny things. |
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