isnt every teams bullpen operating on fumes this time of the year?

Astros and Dodgers seem fine.

EAT SHIT CUB SCUM

Glad we got this win that’s for sure. Just giving the Cubs hope then crush it again. That was the plan all along, right?

It’s almost worth it to give up the lead, and then stick the dagger back in...almost.

they are the Astros and Dodgers. With the Yankees, this 3 are so far superior from the rest of the league, you can’t compare to the others.

We could lose at least 3 of these 7 games to the Cubs. Watch the Brewers go on a run and win the division. Or on the last day the Cubs knock us off to the WC but they go home and the Brewers take the division.

Perhaps. But not tonight.

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Should have given up the win but try as Carlos Martinez might, Kyle Schwarber wouldn't allow himself to be walked. If Schwarber takes what was given to him instead of swinging at ball 4 and 5 on back to back pitches after starting 3-0, the Cubs win in the 9th. This team just beats themselves because everyone wants to be on the ****ing front page of tomorrows paper.

We know one thing for sure, we got us a legitimate #1 starter for at least 4 more years.

So is the owner going to fire Maddon if they dont make the playoffs? Or do they have to win the division?


Thats not just sure team. Everytime we face Kendrick our hitters think they are going to hit the longest hime run ever with this 89mph pitch. Then its actually a change up and look like fools. He's 20-5 against us. Dont you learn a ****ing thing from the previous times?


Against the Brewers the pitcher only threw 31% strikes all game and got 14 strikeouts. Yet, when he did throw a strike, we swung 21% of the time. We were swinging at balls bouncing in front of the plate, at their feet etc. it was the most pathetic team AB's I can remember.

Why would they need to fire Maddon? He's a lame duck manager who's contract ends with the Cubs season.

There's no ****ing chance Maddon is back next season and that decision was made a long time ago. The only thing that would have changed that fate would have been another WS.

Theo asked him to be a more hands on manager in the offseason and they are going to have their worst year since his hire. Whatever he has to say to the players they just dont give a **** to listen any more. Maybe it's on the players but when they are on a hot streak and your manager decides 4 starts in a row is too much to handle and they need a day or 2 off to get someone like Daniel Descalso a start it's hard to blame the players for tuning him out. Bryant hinted at how frustrating it was not knowing where he was playing, hitting in the lineup, or even playing at all last season, but "that's just Joe being Joe." Well "Joe being Joe" is going to be looking for a job in a couple weeks.

You shut your whore mouth about Dirty Dan Descalso

Agreed- and hopefully 10+. When Bob Gibson compares Jack to himself, those are bold words. We need an alpha on this team like Chris Carpenter, et al were before him, and hopefully he becomes that.

**** him and the career 1 WAR horse he rode in on!

Y'all realize that over his previous 20 appearances he had an ERA below 2 and a WHIP below 1, right? A 5.5 K/BB rate over that span. His one blown save in that span was that absurdly unlucky Dodgers game.

Carlos Martinez is really ****ing good and the Cardinals fanbase has had a ridiculous and unnecessary hard on for rage-shouting at that guy for years.

Y'all are kinda dumb. Carlos didn't have it yesterday. He may not have it tomorrow. He may end up breaking our hearts in the postseason. But that's baseball.

Trying to argue that he's not a good pitcher or that he hasn't been extremely good as the Cardinals closer is just asinine.

Actually this kind of game seems to sharpen him for a stretch. Carlos Martinez at the back end of our pen is a plus.

Guy was hospitalized a week ago when he couldn't breath. And he couldn't find his command - it happens. And he probably got screwed on that ball over the bag. Goldschmidt was on the line so I have a hard time believing that the ball was fair there.

He wasn't good but even on a bad day you saw that the raw stuff was just absurd. He'll be fine.

Man, Wacha is walking a razor thin line this afternoon. Offense better wake up.

It's time for Cabrera and Helsley.

Wacha's given you all you can reasonably expect/ask of him. 3 innings of 1 run ball while throwing, really, 2 good pitches in the entire appearance. He doesn't have it today.

With expanded rosters, don't leave him out there to give you no chance.

Oh, and how are these slow curves flummoxing everyone like this?

I guess they are gonna try to squeeze in one more inning.

Bringing in Martinez to pitch 3 straight days when Miller was cruising had better not blow this game. Martinez will be needed tomorrow too.

McCarver just went full philfree talking about the look in Martinez's eyes.

I got the damn Cubs broadcast team.

Cubs are done. What happened to the dynasty JD?

Why do you keep using the word dynasty as if I have ever used that word to describe this team?

I've been critical of this team since midseason 2017 and haven't once expected them to get back to a WS since it was crystal clear that not only were they not going to compete against whichever team makes it out of the AL but they wouldn't even compete with the Dodgers.

Theo has been ****ing stupid with his moves since the WS and its cost this team dearly. The Jose Quintana trade was just plain reeruned and he emptied out the rest of the farm to do it for a guy that may be a 4th starter in the playoffs on a legit WS contender, if not coming out of the bullpen.

But you do seem awfully excited about likely getting bounced in the first round of the playoffs. I would rather the Cubs crash and burn than sit there and give the FO reason to not make changes yet again. They are Chiefs of years past right now in that they could make the playoffs but it doesnt really matter because they wont do shit in them.

So I don't really get Cards games here in Phx, at least not with the bsic cable package I'm on, so I was wondering, how do our Cards look going into the post-season? Has our pitching (starting/relief) stabilized? Are we producing at the plate (Carpenter, Goldy)?

You sound mad

Best ERA over the last several months. Offense is the Achilles and will kill them in the postseason. They do most of the little things well, which is why they're in it (baserunning, defense, fundamentals).

Goldschmidt has been a C- this year, Carpenter an F, notwithstanding last night, and Ozuna a D+.

The offense is really, really bad.

Why would I be mad?

I feel about this team like I have the Chiefs since before Mahomes. I simply dont care. It's impossible to be mad about something I'm not overly invested in.

I havent even watched either of these games because I accepted this team not doing shit since spring training when absolutely not a ****ing thing was done to fix what happened in 2018. Until Theo and Hoyer stand by their whole "time to judge production and not potential" line then I just wont give a ****.

Loser say what?

Thanks. Appreciate it. Planning on going to a Diamondbacks game when the Cards come into town, will be only the third Cards game I've been able to watch this season.

How's Yadi been playing this season? Love watching that guy play.

He's declining, but has been better since he returned from injury. Bat is definitely a net negative (today being the exception). Defense is good, but not the all-time level it once was. Still handles a staff well.

Thanks a lot. Probably need to make the Diamondbacks game a priority; not sure how much longer Yadi is going to play.

In the last 30 games he is batting .324 with 34 hits and 4 home runs, an OBP of .398 and slugging .505.

he lost his potential dynasty.

They better keep winning, because the goddamn Brewers aren't going away. Up 10-1 in the 8th. How the hell did Pittsburgh score one? :shake: ****ers.

Hopefully the Reds and Rockies will still have a little fight left in them, because the Pirates have just laid down and died.

I havent lost shit.

Ask me if I still like the Cubs future over the Cardinals. Answer: Yes.

The Cubs need to tweak their roster, not tear it apart. They still have 4 guys under control that if they threw their names into the hat they could name their ****ing price. Even if you take one out of the equation you still have 3 and then Kyle Schwarber bringing it up the rear hitting 40 HRs.

He is mad

Cubs seem to be taking it up the rear this September, hoss.

You should probably turn off more Cardinals games.

The Cubs fan lashes out as his dynasty dies before his eyes.

Nothing is dying. This is the same FO that took the Red Sox to 2 WS and had an 86 win season and 3rd in the division just before the 2nd one.

What they do this off season will determine how this story ends.

I only wish the Cubs could be so lucky to extend a bunch of veterans through their decline years in order to keep the band together. Good luck in the playoffs.

Isn't your entire starting pitching staff a bunch of aging veterans?

Hamels is done after this season. Lester has 1 year left.

They will need to figure out what to do with the 5th spot that Hamels is vacating.

They still have Hendricks and Darvish has been pretty ****ing good for a few months now. Whether Darvish continues this trend into next season or not is up in the air and if he can remain healthy.

I'd like to see them get a legit top 3 rotational piece for a playoff roster and I would feel pretty comfortable that Quintana and Lester wouldn't **** it up in the regular season.

The bullpen and the swing and miss in the lineup is a much bigger issue than the starting pitching.

Maybe you wernt talking "dynasty" in this thread but for god damn sure your fellow Cubby fans were. National media was.

Dude, read your posts, You sound pissed. Thats okay embrace the horror. We have been in that place for 3 years. We are/were pissed. It's just rival smack.

We haven't been in the playoffs in 3 years. You wont have to go back too many pages to find me bitching about my team, GM etc. and I'm probably the biggest homer in here. No one in here thinks we have a chance at a WS. For right now, we are just glad to to be sending our rival home this year, just like your team did to us.

What the **** are you talking about?

I'm not pissed about this team probably not going to the playoffs. I havent been pissed about this team not being a legit playoff threat since midway 2017.

Go back and ****ing read my thoughts on this teams ability to do something in the playoffs in years past. I saw this shit coming with the Chapman trade. Ya that one worked out because it got a WS, fine, that still doesnt take away how shortsighted it was. Then the following season a similar trade was made twice to get Wade Davis and then Jose Quintana and I absolutely ****ing hated that shit because they gave up a top 5 prospect and a top 60 prospect with 2 throw ins for ****ing what? A once former "potential ace" who was in the middle of his worst season as major leaguer after his batman was traded to the Red Sox 7 months prior. They got a soft tossing finesse lefty and paid such a stupid ass price for it that the White Sox didn't even bother trying to negotiate a better deal in the month or so left they were allowed. Rick Hahn practically laughed in Theo's face immediately after by saying no one else was really even close to the Cubs offer, look what I got! Meanwhile a little known guy over in Detroit named Justin Verlander wasn't exactly quiet about wanting to be traded to the Cubs and how much do you think it would have cost to land him compared to Quintana? He wanted to be in Chicago so extending him wouldn't have been an issue but hey at least we got a 4th starter/bullpen arm for the playoffs and we control him for the next 3 years at "half price" and we only gave up what it would take to get an ace to get him.

Now you did all of that and what did you do to address the offense that ranks up there with the Orioles for the most games scoring 1 or less runs? Nothing. Go ask Jacob deGrom how many wins you get without run support. Sure this team scores a lot of runs but thats an illusion because one game they'll score 11 and for the next 2 games they wont even have 11 hits combined. I believe the Cubs are dead ****ing last in making contact. How do you score runs if you can't make contact with the baseball? Hope to play the Pirates 162 times a year, even then its iffy because just before the ASB they lost 3 out of 4 in a series against the Pirates.

Now today you still need to fix the offense, going to have to find a guy to do what you thought Quintana was going to do, and what is left to make a trade? Its like watching Travolta in Pulp Fiction.

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My absolute biggest fear is that Theo looks at this 2nd half with Castellanos, who got an adrenaline injection when he was traded from the Tigers to a team that was in the playoff hunt and has played out of his mind, and throws a bunch of money at him while ignoring that he's pretty damn close to rivaling Baez for chasing pitches out of the zone and has a not so nice swinging strike rate. And that's ignoring his defense on a NL team. Ya he can catch the balls hit at him but let me know how many doubles dont turn into triples with the way he plays the corners.

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Let’s go Cards! Cubs fans haven’t thrown a beer at me yet so that’s progress from my last game here.

Dude in front of you looks like a bitch.
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I got into it with a guy that looked like a Chicago Superfan my first time at Wrigley. My wife thought I was gonna get beat up the next night sitting in the bleachers. Lmao good times.

Get him out ffs

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Cubs fan here.

And yeah, they suck. Props to the Cards for hanging around at taking control of the division. Its really remarkable.

What the Cubs need is a mini rebuild - and that might take a little time. Still I think they can be competitive(Meaning playoff team) and do this if they are smart.

As I see it pitching is the main problem. There is not much to like about the Cubs current pitching staff as its old and expensive. I think they need to move Bryant - he's a not a superstar, but I'm sure some team would love to have him. If I'm the Cubs I keep Castellanos, Baez, and Rizzo as my core. I don't know what do do with Contrareas - nice bat, not a great catcher.

Move Bryant for some young pitching and I think you are good to go.

With the wind blowing out and both starters gone in the 4th, this may be a Denver type of game. 10-9 win?

I'm digging this inning.

At least I was until Goldschmidt pissed down his leg.

BOOM!

Over 12 easiest money I’ve ever made

****ing reerun carp

Close game. Need our relievers to come in strong

Or our 3/4/5 hitters to quit failing all the ****ing time with RISP. They win us a game every once in a while. But, Ozuna is in a 2/25 slump and Dejong is 3-28 slump. Come on reverse jinx.....

That bumble**** on the base path earlier didn't help either.

Ozuna needs his ****ing eyes checked

Yeah needs to seen an eye doctor indeed!

I was 1/2 hour behind the live stuff. WTF is up with Carp? The play is in front of you. How do you **** that up so bad? This game was there for the taking. So much fail with RISP.

Where was the balk? Certaintly wasnt an obvious one. Difference in losing or winning the game and it’s not reviewable?

LMAO LMAO LMAO

Eat my asshole JD

Gotta love Kimbrel LMAO

they weren’t bad pitches really. They weren’t even strikes. Just straight no movement fastballs.

With a 1 run lead, the wind blowing out and some big boppers coming up, that lead ain’t safe.

Why did Fox Sports Midwest switch away from the 9th inning for Royals :cuss:pregame?

Good win fellas

Both Ozuna and Dejong homer. I take full credit for the reverse jinx. :)

Got to watch the Fox Midwest broadcast today. Those crowd shots of the dejected and shattered Cub fans in the 9th inning was soooo sweet. :D

My wife and I were cracking up.

"HELLO DARKNESS MY OLD FRIEND"

Man do I miss watching the Cards in old Busch stadium.

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This is epic.

Thank you. Best part was Yadi slinging that ball to third for the out. Damn, I love watching that guy play catch.