With Clyde becoming a top 5 RB are we okay with Mahomes looking more like Patrick Smith?

I think we’ll have a lot of success running against anybody as long as Pat and our weapons are healthy.

In a game of “pick your poison”, I don’t expect anybody to choose our passing game.

Some coach will get too cute by half.

"We can't let them control the clock..."

{Chews on glass; takes drag from Marlboro Red}
{Puts 8 in the box}
{Dies}

If we keep running the ball like this, somebody's gonna get the bright idea that the way to beat us is to MAKE us more quick strike because it will tire our defense out by having to be on the field so often.

I mean we have Chiefs fans who were insisting that Reid should run the ball more for that very reason. Because by being so efficient and throwing the ball, we made things hard for our defense and were thus susceptible to being out-muscled. This is the kind of idiot thinking that still exists in this league.

There is ALWAYS a Herm Edwards who looks at Dick Vermiel's offense as arcade football. Some idiot will decide that the way to beat the Chiefs is to out physical them, stop the run and keep their defense on the field by letting the Chiefs offense score or stall in a hurry.

And they'll get their dicks shoved out their own assholes.

You’re probably right. I’m probably giving them too much credit.

You know Andy has some chaos math formations just lined up waiting to unleash, especially if we can continue to run with CEH like that out of 11 personnel.

I'm okay with Mahomes looking more like Patrick Peyton curl up in fetal position to avoid getting hit/injured.

Injuries or fluke turn overs are the big worries.

When I finally got to re-watch the game that's what I saw as well. CEH forced the LBs to commit to a hole before bouncing or cutting back. That ability is going to make stopping the Chiefs running game extremely difficult between the 20s. LBs aren't used to being patient; it's kind of the antithesis of what it is to be LBer. And for a rookie RB what CEH is doing is very high level stuff.

And I don't know how DCs are going to gameplan for it. Before CEH they had to double Hill and Kelce then try to deal 1v1 with Sammy/ Hardman/Robinson, then Damien Williams in the passing game. They did that by using a ton of 3- and 4-man fronts. Basically they were daring the Chiefs to run. Now they'll have to expend resources dealing with CEH as a runner, and as a receiver, plus all the above. There's literally not enough defenders on the field.

This sounds like the exact type of dumbassery someone like Fangio will try while Elway dies a thousand deaths in the press box (an Elway special since Pat's arrival).

On that note, Pat really has had some memorable games against the Broncos to start his career.

We're down 4 and there's 3 minutes left in the game, as long as Pat still goes for the dagger (like he did to Watkins in the Super Bowl), I don't really care what he looks like the rest of the game.

The thing with Alex isn't because he threw checkdowns and took what was there, it was became he still seemed to think checkdowns were a viable option when needing to drive for a touchdown in the 4th quarter. I still cringe when I think of the 6 minute drive he had in the 4th quarter against the Patriots in the 2015/2016 playoffs.

IMO, Alex's 'lock time' between processing what he saw and then executing was just very average. It just took him too long to pull the trigger. There was a play in one of those playoff games (think it was the Pats one) I can still remember where Kelce was open, but Alex was a tad late getting his head around, but Kelce was still open when he finally did. Mahomes would've fired it as soon as he got his eyes on Kelce, because he was open, even though the window was closing.

Instead, Alex did this half double-clutch thing, and then it was too late. Alex ended up trying to run for a few yards, even though he had no shot at converting. I remember just screaming at the TV "throw the freaking ball!" like three times before Alex decided to run. But that was Alex in his natural state. he was just too cautious.

In fact, if you go back and really watch every snap of that ridiculously long drive at the end of that Pats game you can see that on a bunch of those plays Alex has guys open downfield almost every time, but he opts to checkdown every time. That's why I've contended that the problem in that game wan't Andy's play-calling, because they really should've been inside the 15-yard line in 4 or 5 plays, except Alex wouldn't just pull the trigger. So what should've been a 6-7 play drive for a score ended up being a 12+ or whatever it was that ate up all of that clock.

McCullough and Bieniemy not too pleased with him at the goal line. Fair criticism.

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Kid looks like a total bust.... ROFL

Somehow I think he's gonna get that figured out, and let's be clear: it's not as if this team has been a world beater in the red zone with any RB post-Hunt.

You don't say...

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More found it odd they pinned the blame on him. I thought the blocking was total shit.

Well, yes and no. Compared to the Hunt era where the Chiefs were 2nd overall in RZ TD efficiency, in 2019 they were still 11th overall (73%), and over the last 3 games in 2019 they were actually 6th overall, scoring TDs in the RZ about 80% of the time. So the Chiefs even without Hunt have been a top-tier team inside the RZ. And I fully expect that by week 5-7 the Chiefs will be somewhere in the top 5 in that category.

I probably should've said short yardage. Regarding red zone efficiency, I'm going to quote some different stats, but this is what I was referencing:

Okay sure, those goal-line rush attempts have never been a WCO strength, I'll grant you.

Even Thursday night Andy would obviously rather throw the ball as he did with Watkins on that 1-yard flick and dive.

But with KO in there at guard I think we'll see some improvement in that area. Down inside the 5, beef is often the deciding factor and KO has more than his fair share of that.

But I doubt that the Chiefs under Andy are ever going to be truly great at stuffing it in from the 5 or 4 or whatever. It's just not how he builds OLs. Hell, even our FB is a bit undersized for that sort of thing.

But I also think that Andy will figure out how to make the offense pretty darn efficient down there, regardless of how it's actually done.

Wasn’t as explosive today. But he did get involved in the passing game.

He's a rook, and he's trying to be the RB1 on a team with the most complex scheme in the league. He did okay, and he's going to just get better. By week 8 everyone will be jerking off about how great he is.

just one GIF today

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I thought he might get 200yds today after that run.

The catch they called back was clutch

That was very impressive, was hoping Clay would have that gif in here.

Yeah - EZ angle shows his route the best - real nice.

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Thank you, enjoy the shit out of your gif skills.

His catch in traffic to give Pat 300 yards (and to set up the initial gamewinning fieldgoal) was also pretty impressive.

The ball placement from this kid.....

How many QBs, even if they can get it there on that rollout, end up getting their RB murdered on that ball. And Mahomes puts it in a window literally 1 ft by 1 ft square where his target can make a play on the ball and protect himself in the process.

If it's Cassel you call it an accident but Mahomes does it over and over again. In fact, that INT he threw in the Super Bowl that bounced off Hill was because he was trying to do it.

He manages to think through everything at a speed that's just supernatural.

What a player.

Remember guys - Travis Kelce can't block...

:rolleyes:

That's Joey Bosa he stands up off the edge, is it not?

I realized in the Super Bowl leadup that "Travis Kelce can't block" really only means he doesn't have the highlight reel pancakes (except if your name is Earl Thomas) that Kittle has. Kelce's are just efficient, meat and potatoes blocks, but we honestly couldn't ask him to do anymore in our offense. I thought Kittle was going to be Willie ****ing Roaf the way they were hyping him up. Made me feel warm and fuzzy to see Clark throw him around like a ragdoll and then Breeland run through two of his blocks in the SB (but they still made a highlight film featuring him pancaking Sorenson on Jimmy G's overthrow to Sanders).

He's not thinking. He's just reacting.

I think Mahomes has this uncanny ability to feel open spaces on the field and already knows where his players are in relation to these open spaces, so he just throws to that spot.

A lot of quarterbacks are throwing to players (Cassel).

Mahomes is throwing to spots where he knows he needs to put it in relation to his players.

Also, Mahomes is now bogarting another player's thread. LMAO

Kelce's dad was right - guys just look for reasons not to give him credit.

The last couple years with Gronk around and even after Gronk 'retired' it was "arguably the best TE in the league" or worse still, "arguably the best TE in the AFC..."

Dafuq is the argument? Then when Kittle broke out guys were STILL trying to pump Kittle's tires by taking the air from Kelce's. Kelce is a fine blocker. I'd say he's even slightly above average in that regard because he's damn smart and knows his angles so he is able to get the job done on some pretty complicated blocks at times.

But like you said, because he's not out there flattening dudes, suddenly he "can't block" rather than just saying "he's not the most powerful straight-line blocking TE in the NFL like Kittle is..."

Dude's dealt with this bullshit his whole career.

Read the room, Wylie, you dipshit. What the hell was that DT he's holding going to do when Pat's already out of the pocket? Just ****ing let him go.

While true, it was still a ticky tack bs call that you could call on 99% of plays.

We’ve gotten away with a lot worse.

His hands were inside.. not much of a hold..

This was exactly what I said when they showed the replay. His hands were within the framework; 9 times out of 10 they don't call that in the NFL. But suddenly at the end of the game they call it twice? Not saying "conspiracy," I hate that shit, but it was irritating to see.

My only thought is maybe from the profile angle it looked worse.

Yeah, if it's the play I'm thinking of, the defender sold the hell out of it.

If the official is at a particular angle, I could see him thinking it's pretty egregious just because of how hard the 'hold' got sold. Dude acted like he was being dragged around.

But yeah - soft call to be sure. Just not sure I am going to make any leap to 'nefarious'. Probably just a committed actor and an odd angle from a zebra.

Completely agreed. I don't know what it is, but Kelce didn't seem to be welcomed to the overall NFL fraternity. I've always wondered if it was because he was part of a "midwest team" or if there was some kind of coastal bias going on there. Gronk almost has this weird chip on his shoulder whenever Kelce comes up and always is sure to bring up Kittle and how "Kittle is his heir apparent." It's weird.

With officials, it makes more sense. After Kelce clashed with officials constantly his first two seasons (didn't he once say our friend Carl, the official to yesterday's game, wasn't qualified to work at a foot locker?) They straight up let Kelce get mangled, the most egregious example being against the Colts last year. The officials did not care.

This seemed to switch suddenly in the playoffs last year, and entirely to our favor. The Texans seemed almost surprised Kelce was getting calls and looked outraged despite putting him in a straight jacket when the ball was in the air. Moore seemed equally offended in the SB despite being called for as textbook of a PI as it got (gotta turn that head around, was even taught that in middle school).

Something I also enjoyed is how Spags used Kittle's blocking against the Niners in the SB. While NFL films made a whole film on Kittle's blocking in the SB, Spags seemed more than willing to have Dirty Dan get pancaked over and over, because if Kittle is pancaking someone, that means Kittle isn't catching passes. That is a part of my criticism to Shanny's 4th quarter playcalling. I don't care how good of a blocker Kittle is, you are helping the Chiefs out if you voluntarily take the football out of his hands. His pancake of Dirty Dan has got so much attention though that no one has really focused on that point (outside of a few Niners fans, actually).

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5-70 tonight in the passing game

he is awesome

CEH showed some real improvement during the game tonight. It's like you could see him adjusting to the physicality of the game as it went along.

Good game by him. He needs to hit the hole at full speed more often.

He was fantastic.

The greatest thing this Ubeja guy has ever said, came last week. He said he knew football better than Andy Reid, Veach, and all other coaches and GNs. Because he watches more football than them.

this run was real nice

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RIP

Andy needs to realize that he's not a big bruiser back and stop attempting to use him between the tackles at the goal line! I start yelling at the TV when he does this. Rarely doe he get into the end zone on those types of plays.. He's more effective in space.. Andy does this.....Every. Fricking. Game.

Think about everything you understand about football. Now consider how much more Andy knows/understands.

Let's leave it at that.

Believe me......I've tried....I think I need help!

CEH was one of the best between-the-tackles runners in CFB last year. The blocking needs to be better and he needs to read the holes better. By the time it's all said and done, people are going to forget that they ever thought these things. ;)

I sure hope so! It's been painful watching him try to bang it up in there on the goal line with all the big bodies on D. He needs to show more patience down there and let his blocks set up. He works better in space IMO. Which I know doesn't amount to much since I'm not the coach. I guess we'll see. Hes really not any smaller than a few other starters but just needs to show more patience.

Not too impressed with him as of late. He seems a little too small to be a RB#1

He's been a little underwhelming through first 5 games. Has done some nice things, but yeah, so far doesn't seem to be living up to the hype as of now....

I think he’s decent. Not bad. But he doesn’t hAve the size to break some of those tackles on the inside.

He was 5th in the league in yards from scrimmage coming in. LMAO

Stop it, dipshits.

So why did we look like we had a more serious running game with Spencer Ware?

Sure, but other than the Texans game, has it really felt like he was an important part of the win? Not really.

But, I blame the play calling more than any individual player today. Reid and EB didn't put the offense in enough winning positions today. It's the second week in a row that play calling on offense was an issue.

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The one thing I don’t like about CEH is he doesn’t punish players. Jacobs dragged 2 of our LB’s for extra yards with frequency. Kareem did that all the time.

CEH just doesn’t do that that often.

He was great against the Texans and great against the Ravens. Hell he done some good things against the Pats too. None of the top RB picks from the last draft have lit the world on fire thus far. Infact Robinson from the Jags, who was undrafted, has the most yards carrying the ball if i remember correctly. Ceh will get better with experiance...just have to be patient and understand that he's way more than just a runner.

OL can't block worth a damn. Thats the real issuse. We haven't taken the interior seriously. Just throw out some jags and let Mahomes dodge lineman.

Offs. Niang. LDT.

Yeah, Andy and Veach really should've looked into their crystal ball and seen both of those guys opting out. Sheesh.

Sure....But he was billed as OROY candidate, and that he would help our offense go to some type of transcendental level, but thus far it hasn't really been that at all.

Of course, we're only 5 games into his rookie season, and there's a lot left to play, so too early to really judge the full impact. Early returns have been OK, not great

The Raiders defense against the run was ranked 32nd coming into today.

He’s not a bust or anything. Just not as dynamic as I thought he would be.

definitely not, and lots of ball to play....he's been good most of the time to very good at times.

Also can't discount the lack of pre-season either. Reid's offense is complex, and I'm sure they are still installing things for him....he's by far the least of our worries

Anyone can drag the KC LB's. They have guys starting that won't make most teams rosters unless for special teams.

CEH needs max OL.

Exactly, but he can play in this league and be a good player.

Yep. And our OL got punked all day by their D.

CEH is already on pace to have more yards after contact and more yards after contact per attempt than Kareem did in 2017 OR 2018.

Again, this is 100% selective, nostalgic memory.

People forget that Kareem's rookie year, he had a string of 7 or 8 games where he barely cracked 50 yards per game, let alone 100.

He literally won the rushing title by rushing for 150 or more in like 4 games.

Yes of course. Like i said before, hes a really good RB#2

Hes not going to truck many NFL players being 5'7"

:rolleyes:

CEH is currently 7th in the NFL in rushing.

Yeah, he's a good #2 RB.

ROFL

Would you trust him to pick up a critical short yardage or goal line situation?

Behind this offensive line?

Seems that should be part of the conversation, no?

Hehehehe! Would I trust any of your football takes, Mr. "should we have taken Deshaun Watson over Patrick Mahomes" boy?

Let's think about that for a second.

Yeah, I think I'll probably go with CEH will be just fine, based solely on your record of prognostication, thanks.

Wish they would use Sherman more in short yardage.

CEH was ripping off good runs until OS went out with 2 torn knees. Andy kept running to that side anyway. He ran the drive killing Hill reverse to that side too.

Andy just keeps pounding it up the left side and middle when the right side has open lanes.

Blaming CEH for the shitty blocking and playcalling is stupid. He had a solid game until Andy went into his shell the second half.

How many NFL games has he played? 5? And only with our questionable O-Line?

He'll be fine.

Cp has always been an abomination after a loss