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-King- 02-25-2021 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 15563714)
Again this is bs. In Seattle who was he playing with? Garbage and that allowed teams to double him. Same thing happened with the Titans..if you think we're getting someone who is on a higher level than Clowney for a massive deal then you're fooling yourself imo.

He needs to be playing with other good players to have more than 3 sacks in 2 season? LMAO

UChieffyBugger 02-25-2021 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 15563723)
He needs to be playing with other good players to have more than 3 sacks in 2 season? LMAO

Er BS again. In Seattle he only played 13 regular season games because the trade was done late. If you include the playoff games he had 4.5 sacks in 15 games alongside jags. Then last year he barely played due to injury. And if you're so low on Clowney can you suggest a better player we could get on a modest deal please seeing as you're apparently a pass rusher expert?

UChieffyBugger 02-25-2021 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 15563719)
I wouldn't say Houston was a HUGE PROBLEM that year either. He was a good pass rusher. The difference though is that 8-9 sacks seems like Houston's floor whereas with Clowney that's his ceiling.

And I never said we shouldn't improve run defense but pass rush is a way bigger problem. We already have 1 guy who apparently takes the regular season off so he can turn it up in the post season (which was actually 1 game and 1 drive this past post season). We don't need another guy who averages 4.5 sacks a season with a high of 9.5

It's not a way bigger problem though. If you can defend the run it makes teams one dimensional. We had the best pass rush in the league in 2018 but couldn't stop the Pats from running the ball up and down the field and killing clock. We can't keep ignoring this issue ffs.

-King- 02-25-2021 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 15563741)
Er BS again. In Seattle he only played 13 regular season games because the trade was done late. If you include the playoff games he had 4.5 sacks in 15 games alongside jags. Then last year he barely played due to injury. And if you're so low on Clowney can you suggest a better player we could get on a modest deal please seeing as you're apparently a pass rusher expert?

Oh wow, you talking about him barely playing and how he was injured totally changes it. Now I really want him as a starter!

And "4.5 sacks in 15 games"?!? Sign me up!!! Can't get that level of production anywhere else!

RunKC 02-25-2021 11:26 AM

So Mel Kiper’s mock that just dropped has us taking OT Walker Little from Stanford. He suffered a season ending injury in the opener of the 2019 season and then opted out in 2020, so he won’t play in a game in at least 2 years

The guy looks like a very good prospect but hoo boy would CP be a mess LMAO

Hoover 02-25-2021 11:27 AM

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In58men 02-25-2021 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 15563754)
So Mel Kiper’s mock that just dropped has us taking OT Walker Little from Stanford. He suffered a season ending injury in the opener of the 2019 season and then opted out in 2020, so he won’t play in a game in at least 2 years

The guy looks like a very good prospect but hoo boy would CP be a mess LMAO

No ****ing thx

Hoover 02-25-2021 11:59 AM

There is just no way the Chiefs use their first round pick on a OT this year. This is just recency bias from the Super Bowl or just pure laziness.

For the Chiefs to draft an OT, I think it would have to mean they are walking away from both Schwartz and Fisher. Not only can I not see that, but I think its more than likely that both guys are on next year's roster. I think this is especially true with Schwartz, who has a cap hit of only 10M. They probably extend Fisher, then let Schwartz play out his final year.

The need on the offensive line is at center. Would be a great year to have pick in the top half of the second round.

I think the Chiefs go playmaker in round one: Edge, LB, WR, or DB.

Drafting a guy like Little, when you basically already have him in Niang makes no sense whatsoever.

O.city 02-25-2021 12:01 PM

WR or Edge I'd guess. Maybe if there's a safety there that can do what SOrenson does but better?

Dunerdr 02-25-2021 12:10 PM

Can we trade Uchiefybugger to another board? This guys going to bat for Clowney right now? Hes been definition of average since leaving houston.

UChieffyBugger 02-25-2021 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 15563746)
Oh wow, you talking about him barely playing and how he was injured totally changes it. Now I really want him as a starter!

And "4.5 sacks in 15 games"?!? Sign me up!!! Can't get that level of production anywhere else!

Name a better option then? You know better obviously so come on smartypants where's those names at?

Sassy Squatch 02-25-2021 12:26 PM

Why the **** are mock drafts linking brokedicks like Dickerson and Little to us? It's baffling.

-King- 02-25-2021 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 15563827)
Name a better option then? You know better obviously so come on smartypants where's those names at?

JJ Watt
Justin Houston
Bud Dupree
Carl Lawson
High round draft pick


And then we can sign Clowney as a backup to rotate between the two DE spots to make you happy.

The Franchise 02-25-2021 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 15563827)
Name a better option then? You know better obviously so come on smartypants where's those names at?

Romeo Okwara
Carl Lawson

staylor26 02-25-2021 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 15563845)
JJ Watt
Justin Houston
Bud Dupree
Carl Lawson
High round draft pick


And then we can sign Clowney as a backup to rotate between the two DE spots to make you happy.

1. The Chiefs can’t afford Watt or Dupree.

2. Houston likely isn’t coming back.

3. Lawson and Okwara would be my top 2 options, but after that Clowney might be the best value.

4. The Chiefs can sign Clowney and still draft an edge rusher early.

duncan_idaho 02-25-2021 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 15563803)
There is just no way the Chiefs use their first round pick on a OT this year. This is just recency bias from the Super Bowl or just pure laziness.

For the Chiefs to draft an OT, I think it would have to mean they are walking away from both Schwartz and Fisher. Not only can I not see that, but I think its more than likely that both guys are on next year's roster. I think this is especially true with Schwartz, who has a cap hit of only 10M. They probably extend Fisher, then let Schwartz play out his final year.

The need on the offensive line is at center. Would be a great year to have pick in the top half of the second round.

I think the Chiefs go playmaker in round one: Edge, LB, WR, or DB.

Drafting a guy like Little, when you basically already have him in Niang makes no sense whatsoever.


I don’t know about “no way” but it is much less of a need now that we have reason to think Schwartz is going to be available and healthy/some semblance of his usual self.

I would guess it will take some time for that update to filter to National mock drafters.

But if someone like Darrisaw or Alijah Vera-Tucker or maybe even Mayfield fell, I could see the Chiefs taking the player and figuring it ou from there.

UChieffyBugger 02-25-2021 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 15563845)
JJ Watt
Justin Houston
Bud Dupree
Carl Lawson
High round draft pick


And then we can sign Clowney as a backup to rotate between the two DE spots to make you happy.

Houston? Dupree who is injured? Why even bother? ROFL

UChieffyBugger 02-25-2021 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 15563856)
Romeo Okwara
Carl Lawson

Okawara against the run? You comfortable with that?

The Franchise 02-25-2021 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 15563867)
Okawara against the run? You comfortable with that?

Clowney playing 16 games? You comfortable with that?

-King- 02-25-2021 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15563857)
1. The Chiefs can’t afford Watt or Dupree.

2. Houston likely isn’t coming back.

3. Lawson and Okwara would be my top 2 options, but after that Clowney might be the best value.

4. The Chiefs can sign Clowney and still draft an edge rusher early.

Yeah I'd have no problem if they drafted one and signed Clowney to back up. There's absolutely no way we can go into next season with Clowney and Clark as our two starting DEs next year though.

Willie Lanier 02-25-2021 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 15563744)
It's not a way bigger problem though. If you can defend the run it makes teams one dimensional. We had the best pass rush in the league in 2018 but couldn't stop the Pats from running the ball up and down the field and killing clock. We can't keep ignoring this issue ffs.

You should probably take Jadaveon's dick out of your mouth before you make your next statement...

I truly don't think you understand american football...

Clowney is criminally overrated

-King- 02-25-2021 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 15563866)
Houston? Dupree who is injured? Why even bother? ROFL

Yeah because Clowney is so healthy LMAO LMAO. And Houston has almost the same number of sacks just the last 3 years that Clowney has in his whole career. And has less missed games despite playing 3 more seasons.

UChieffyBugger 02-25-2021 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Willie Lanier (Post 15563884)
You should probably take Jadaveon's dick out of your mouth before you make your next statement...

I truly don't think you understand american football...

Clowney is criminally overrated

You should probably take the device you're typing on and shove it up your stupid ass!!...because quite frankly i don't give a damn what a random clown like you thinks about me...period.

UChieffyBugger 02-25-2021 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 15563872)
Clowney playing 16 games? You comfortable with that?

He's had one bad year with injury so yeah...i'm comfortable if he signs a modest deal.

htismaqe 02-25-2021 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 15563867)
Okawara against the run? You comfortable with that?

Considering we need pass rushers, yeah. Much better than having a guy like Clowney who gets paid like a pass rusher but doesn't.

Willie Lanier 02-25-2021 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 15563896)
You should probably take the device you're typing on and shove it up your stupid ass!!...because quite frankly i don't give a damn what a random clown like you thinks about me...period.

I'll pass; but I respect the fight in you, I just have no idea why it's for Clowney...

He's not great

staylor26 02-25-2021 01:04 PM

From what I’ve read, Okwara isn’t bad against the run, just not great.

htismaqe 02-25-2021 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 15563754)
So Mel Kiper’s mock that just dropped has us taking OT Walker Little from Stanford. He suffered a season ending injury in the opener of the 2019 season and then opted out in 2020, so he won’t play in a game in at least 2 years

The guy looks like a very good prospect but hoo boy would CP be a mess LMAO

We've been talking about Little for weeks in the draft forum. He'll likely be available in the 2nd if we want him, at least the way it looks right now.

That being said, he's a prototypical LT, which is EXACTLY what people want so there better not be any bitching.

staylor26 02-25-2021 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15563912)
We've been talking about Little for weeks in the draft forum. He'll likely be available in the 2nd if we want him, at least the way it looks right now.

That being said, he's a prototypical LT, which is EXACTLY what people want so there better not be any bitching.

I don’t think he goes in the 1st round, but if the Chiefs took him it wouldn’t shock me.

Last year, at RB, I said CEH was the best fit for our offense. When we took him I was like how did I not see this coming.

This year, Little is that guy for the T’s.

He’s the best fit outside of the top guys.

-King- 02-25-2021 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 15563903)
He's had one bad year with injury so yeah...i'm comfortable if he signs a modest deal.

Lol wut.

The Franchise 02-25-2021 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 15563903)
He's had one bad year with injury so yeah...i'm comfortable if he signs a modest deal.

He’s started one full season ONCE in his career.

ONCE.

UChieffyBugger 02-25-2021 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 15563934)
He’s started one full season ONCE in his career.

ONCE.

Missing a few games a year and missing the majority of a season are two different things.

-King- 02-25-2021 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 15563947)
Missing a few games a year and missing the majority of a season are two different things.

His season has been ended by a knee injury twice.

RunKC 02-25-2021 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15563912)
We've been talking about Little for weeks in the draft forum. He'll likely be available in the 2nd if we want him, at least the way it looks right now.

That being said, he's a prototypical LT, which is EXACTLY what people want so there better not be any bitching.

I think this is the best OT draft class maybe ever. I’ve never seen such value available. This draft is absolutely perfect for the Chiefs.

I love Fish. He’s probably the most underrated first rd pick we’ve ever had, but if there’s a legit OT around our pick we have to take them. That position is so hard to find, especially drafting so late.

I’d be ecstatic if we got a quality LT for 10+ years simply bc he got hurt and then opted out bc of covid.

Imagine that! Sorry Fish. Loved ya as a Chief but this is bidness my dude. This time next year we could franchise his ass, trade for a pick (2nd?) and free up around $11 million.

duncan_idaho 02-25-2021 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 15563994)
I think this is the best OT draft class maybe ever. I’ve never seen such value available. This draft is absolutely perfect for the Chiefs.

I love Fish. He’s probably the most underrated first rd pick we’ve ever had, but if there’s a legit OT around our pick we have to take them. That position is so hard to find, especially drafting so late.

I’d be ecstatic if we got a quality LT for 10+ years simply bc he got hurt and then opted out bc of covid.

Imagine that! Sorry Fish. Loved ya as a Chief but this is bidness my dude. This time next year we could franchise his ass, trade for a pick (2nd?) and free up around $11 million.


Yeah, and what’s crazy about this class is that if we fast-forwarded 15 years and I found out a guy like D’Ante Smith or James Hudson or maybe even Josh Ball ended up being the very best T - of quite a few good ones - in this draft, I would be that surprised. If at all.

Lot of depth and upside, especially if you can sit a guy for a year.

The Franchise 02-25-2021 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 15564005)
Yeah, and what’s crazy about this class is that if we fast-forwarded 15 years and I found out a guy like D’Ante Smith or James Hudson or maybe even Josh Ball ended up being the very best T - of quite a few good ones - in this draft, I would be that surprised. If at all.

Lot of depth and upside, especially if you can sit a guy for a year.

James Hudson is the guy I want right now. He isn’t starting year one but he’s got the upside.

RunKC 02-25-2021 01:56 PM

Saw this on James Hudson from Matt Miller. He looks like a hidden gem:

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Cincinnati offensive tackle James Hudson // a former defensive tackle at Michigan, Hudson transfered to Cincinnati and became the man on the offensive line. He’s athletic, mobile, tough and smart. And while he’s a little undersized (6’4 3/8”, 302 lbs at the Senior Bowl) he plays with functional length and is so quick to protect the edge. Hudson is ranked No. 38 overall on my big board.

Pasta Little Brioni 02-25-2021 02:02 PM

More Clowney talk AGAIN? JFC dudes give it a rest. Dude has been absolutely awful. Every got damned off-season

staylor26 02-25-2021 02:03 PM

Hudson, Smith, and Little are exactly why I don’t feel the need to take a T in the 1st unless Cosmi, Mayfield, or Jenkins fall into our lap.

Take one of Little/Hudson/Smith in the 2nd.

Then trade up for Meinerz or Myers in the 3rd.

This would allow you to go WR or DE in the 1st. Maybe even LB depending on what they do in free agency.

htismaqe 02-25-2021 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 15563947)
Missing a few games a year and missing the majority of a season are two different things.

Missing a few games a year is a chronic issue - aka "injury prone".

Missing the majority of a season, if it only happens once, or maybe twice with a few years in between, is not.

RunKC 02-25-2021 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15564044)
Hudson, Smith, and Little are exactly why I don’t feel the need to take a T in the 1st unless Cosmi, Mayfield, or Jenkins fall into our lap.

Take one of Little/Hudson/Smith in the 2nd.

Then trade up for Meinerz or Myers in the 3rd.

This would allow you to go WR or DE in the 1st. Maybe even LB depending on what they do in free agency.

I don’t think those tackles will be there at the end of the 2nd. Maybe one of them? Hell Hudson is already the 38th best player on Matt Miller’s board.

I think we’ve got to take our guy with the first pick. If Cosmi is even within 4-5 picks of us I think we’ve got to trade up.

Dunerdr 02-25-2021 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15563906)
Considering we need pass rushers, yeah. Much better than having a guy like Clowney who gets paid like a pass rusher but doesn't.

This has to be the simplest but most accurate way to describe Clowney.

htismaqe 02-25-2021 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 15564057)
I don’t think those tackles will be there at the end of the 2nd. Maybe one of them? Hell Hudson is already the 38th best player on Matt Miller’s board.

I think we’ve got to take our guy with the first pick. If Cosmi is even within 4-5 picks of us I think we’ve got to trade up.

Given the news about Schwartz, I think the chances of an OT in the first went way, way down.

Not that they couldn't use an OT, I just think the Chiefs will commit to Schwartz and Fisher. Reid is a loyal guy, sometimes to a fault.

staylor26 02-25-2021 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 15564057)
I don’t think those tackles will be there at the end of the 2nd. Maybe one of them? Hell Hudson is already the 38th best player on Matt Miller’s board.

I think we’ve got to take our guy with the first pick. If Cosmi is even within 4-5 picks of us I think we’ve got to trade up.

There are just too many T’s for at least 2 of those guys not to be there.

Sewell
Slater
Darrisaw
Vera-Tucker
Jenkins
Mayfield
Cosmi
Radunz
Eichenberg
Leatherwood
Hudson
Little
Brown
Smith
Carman

All of these guys aren’t going in the first 2 rounds.

Also, I wouldn’t read too much into where these guys are ranked. There is no consensus. He also dropped outside of the top 50 for DJ in his latest update.

htismaqe 02-25-2021 02:21 PM

Trade up?

ROFL

Dull Tools 02-25-2021 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15564044)
Hudson, Smith, and Little are exactly why I don’t feel the need to take a T in the 1st unless Cosmi, Mayfield, or Jenkins fall into our lap.

Take one of Little/Hudson/Smith in the 2nd.

Then trade up for Meinerz or Myers in the 3rd.

This would allow you to go WR or DE in the 1st. Maybe even LB depending on what they do in free agency.

Exactly how I see it. Would rather go DE in 1st as I think there will be decent WRs available in the 4th.

staylor26 02-25-2021 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15564080)
Trade up?

ROFL

Exactly. If the Chiefs trade up, it will be on day 2.

They aren’t trading up in the 1st. If anything, they will trade down to give themselves flexibility for the rest of the draft.

-King- 02-25-2021 02:28 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Packers?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Packers</a> C Corey Linsley to <a href="https://twitter.com/SiriusXMNFL?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@SiriusXMNFL</a> on free agency: “We’re not closing the door on anything. We&#39;d never do that, especially to the Packers. It looks like all signs point towards snapping the ball somewhere else next year. ... If it doesn&#39;t work out, I wish them the best.”</p>&mdash; NFL Update (@MySportsUpdate) <a href="https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1365024403071901697?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 25, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The Franchise 02-25-2021 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 15564098)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Packers?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Packers</a> C Corey Linsley to <a href="https://twitter.com/SiriusXMNFL?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@SiriusXMNFL</a> on free agency: “We’re not closing the door on anything. We&#39;d never do that, especially to the Packers. It looks like all signs point towards snapping the ball somewhere else next year. ... If it doesn&#39;t work out, I wish them the best.”</p>&mdash; NFL Update (@MySportsUpdate) <a href="https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1365024403071901697?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 25, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

He can come snap that ball to the best QB in the league.

RunKC 02-25-2021 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15564073)
There are just too many T’s for at least 2 of those guys not to be there.

Sewell
Slater
Darrisaw
Vera-Tucker
Jenkins
Mayfield
Cosmi
Radunz
Eichenberg
Leatherwood
Hudson
Little
Brown
Smith
Carman

All of these guys aren’t going in the first 2 rounds.

Also, I wouldn’t read too much into where these guys are ranked. There is no consensus. He also dropped outside of the top 50 for DJ in his latest update.

Not all of those guys are fits for us and that’s a big reason they’ll be there at the end of round 2.

For example I don’t think Eichenberg is a fit for us bc he’s not very athletic and his pass blocking needs work.

If a good quality LT is there at 31 they should take them.

staylor26 02-25-2021 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 15564139)
Not all of those guys are fits for us and that’s a big reason they’ll be there at the end of round 2.

For example I don’t think Eichenberg is a fit for us bc he’s not very athletic and his pass blocking needs work.

If a good quality LT is there at 31 they should take them.

You realize you can say this about every team, right?

Those guys might not all be fits for us, but the guys that are a fit for us won’t be a fit for everybody else.

It’s a numbers game no matter how you look at it. If you think Little, Hudson, AND Smith might all be gone by the end of the 2nd, you’re out of your mind.

You sound desperate about a class that you just finished telling us is the best and deepest class ever! This makes no sense LMAO

staylor26 02-25-2021 03:27 PM

And if half of the NFL decides to take a T somewhere in the first 2 rounds, the last thing we should do is allow ourselves to get caught in the middle of a run.

All that means is a WR and/or DE will fall to us that shouldn’t.

That’s the beauty of the Schwartz news combined with already having Niang in the fold. There’s no need for desperation. Take the BPA.

htismaqe 02-25-2021 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15564231)
And if half of the NFL decides to take a T somewhere in the first 2 rounds, the last thing we should do is allow ourselves to get caught in the middle of a run.

All that means is a WR and/or DE will fall to us that shouldn’t.

That’s the beauty of the Schwartz news combined with already having Niang in the fold. There’s no need for desperation. Take the BPA.

:bravo:

RunKC 02-25-2021 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15564218)
You realize you can say this about every team, right?

Those guys might not all be fits for us, but the guys that are a fit for us won’t be a fit for everybody else.

It’s a numbers game no matter how you look at it. If you think Little, Hudson, AND Smith might all be gone by the end of the 2nd, you’re out of your mind.

You sound desperate about a class that you just finished telling us is the best and deepest class ever! This makes no sense LMAO

That’s a different conversation when you bring up guys like Smith who are projects. Of course you can get them later bc that’s what they are: projects.

I’m taking about a quality starting LT. One you can plug in day one to play while Fisher is hurt and be good long term. That ain’t Smith or quite a few of those guys.

There will likely be a run on LT’s early due to the top 3 or 4 elite prospects but guys like Cosmi who could be top 20 picks in a regular year?

There’s a guy like that at 31 then there’s a very high probability that they are the BPA

ToxSocks 02-25-2021 03:39 PM

seems like a good place to drop this:

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NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports the Titans are "open to dealing" 2020 first-round OT Isaiah Wilson.

Spoiler alert. At this point, teams interested in giving Wilson a second chance may be content to wait on the Titans to release him, but he is still a 22-year-old just 10 months removed from being the No. 29 overall pick. Even with the red flags, the Titans might still finagle a draft pick. What appears clear is that neither the Titans nor the player appear interested in moving forward together.

staylor26 02-25-2021 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 15564255)
That’s a different conversation when you bring up guys like Smith who are projects. Of course you can get them later bc that’s what they are: projects.

I’m taking about a quality starting LT. One you can plug in day one to play while Fisher is hurt and be good long term. That ain’t Smith or quite a few of those guys.

There will likely be a run on LT’s early due to the top 3 or 4 elite prospects but guys like Cosmi who could be top 20 picks in a regular year?

There’s a guy like that at 31 then there’s a very high probability that they are the BPA

So you believe a guy like Cosmi could make it to 31, but you don’t think Little or Hudson can make it to 63?

Dude, one of those things is MUCH more likely than the other and not the one you think....

htismaqe 02-25-2021 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 15564255)
That’s a different conversation when you bring up guys like Smith who are projects. Of course you can get them later bc that’s what they are: projects.

I’m taking about a quality starting LT. One you can plug in day one to play while Fisher is hurt and be good long term. That ain’t Smith or quite a few of those guys.

There will likely be a run on LT’s early due to the top 3 or 4 elite prospects but guys like Cosmi who could be top 20 picks in a regular year?

There’s a guy like that at 31 then there’s a very high probability that they are the BPA

If both Fisher and Schwartz are coming back, there's zero reason to spend a first round pick on a guy that's going to play for a couple of months and then sit on the bench, especially since he'd likely end up getting moved to RT after Schwartz is gone anyway.

That's just not a good use of resources. You're letting the Super Bowl debacle cloud your judgement.

Now, if Schwartz or Fisher are not coming back, then a 1st round OT makes a lot more sense.

The Franchise 02-25-2021 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 15564259)
seems like a good place to drop this:

Sure. Have a 7th round pick in 2022.

htismaqe 02-25-2021 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 15564259)
seems like a good place to drop this:

I'd be down with that. If you could get a former first round pick for a 4th or something, you do it.

The Franchise 02-25-2021 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 15564259)
seems like a good place to drop this:

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15564271)
I'd be down with that. If you could get a former first round pick for a 4th or something, you do it.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Titans do not necessarily expect a lot in return for first-round offensive tackle Isaiah Wilson in any potential trade, according to league sources. Most anticipated late-round draft pick, if anything develops</p>&mdash; Aaron Wilson (@AaronWilson_NFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/AaronWilson_NFL/status/1365054648621666309?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 25, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

staylor26 02-25-2021 03:45 PM

Wilson was a disaster in year 1 off the field (he was never actually on it), but Veach does love his former 1st round pick reclamation projects.

I’d be down with that as long as it’s not a day 2 pick.

htismaqe 02-25-2021 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 15564276)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Titans do not necessarily expect a lot in return for first-round offensive tackle Isaiah Wilson in any potential trade, according to league sources. Most anticipated late-round draft pick, if anything develops</p>&mdash; Aaron Wilson (@AaronWilson_NFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/AaronWilson_NFL/status/1365054648621666309?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 25, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

That's exactly the kind of move this team needs to make, flip them a 6th and go into the draft with even more flexibility.

htismaqe 02-25-2021 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15564280)
Wilson was a disaster in year 1 off the field (he was never actually on it), but Veach does love his former 1st round pick reclamation projects.

I’d be down with that as long as it’s not a day 2 pick.

Yeah, it was all off the field.

And we're talking about him going from Mike Vrabel to Andy Reid. It could work, it absolutely could.

staylor26 02-25-2021 03:47 PM

Niang, Prince, and Wilson would be a nice group of young talent at T.

mkp785 02-25-2021 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 15564259)
seems like a good place to drop this:

He's more of a RT though correct? Idk if we need that level of crazy in our locker room either way.

The Franchise 02-25-2021 03:50 PM

I wonder if he’d be a fit at guard.

staylor26 02-25-2021 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 15564297)
I wonder if he’d be a fit at guard.

I think he’s too big and not athletic enough for Reid on the IOL.

I think he’s a RT only in this system, if they feel he’s even a fit there.

mkp785 02-25-2021 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15564282)
Yeah, it was all off the field.

And we're talking about him going from Mike Vrabel to Andy Reid. It could work, it absolutely could.

If it's only gonna cost a 7th or so then why not I guess but too much more for a guy that couldn't be bothered to block for Derrick Henry says alot.

Sassy Squatch 02-25-2021 03:54 PM

Not interested in paying this schmuck the salary of a 1st round pick. If he's cut then vet minimum.

RunKC 02-25-2021 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15564266)
If both Fisher and Schwartz are coming back, there's zero reason to spend a first round pick on a guy that's going to play for a couple of months and then sit on the bench, especially since he'd likely end up getting moved to RT after Schwartz is gone anyway.

That's just not a good use of resources. You're letting the Super Bowl debacle cloud your judgement.

Now, if Schwartz or Fisher are not coming back, then a 1st round OT makes a lot more sense.

If there is a good quality LT that you think can be the answer long term then you take them. That’s the definition of BPA considering we wouldn’t be reaching for need since Fisher and Schwartz will be back at some point. Good LT’s are hard to find. There aren’t many of them. They also go quickly in the draft and get our massive salaries in FA, so a year where one might be available late in the first td would be amazing for us.

As for this next season, you play the kid at LT and when Fish comes back you put them inside at LG. It’s Allegretti and Wylie at that spot currently. That’s not a difficult decision. As Andy says “okay the 5 best guys”.

A cheap quality LT changes everything. One of the highest paid players on your team is now cheap for 5 years while you have the highest paid player in the league. They could also dump Clark after this year and have a ton of money free for reloading the roster.

Again, they need to determine that one of those prospects is worthy but considering this class it’s very possible.

staylor26 02-25-2021 03:56 PM

Yes, RunKC, if Cosmi/Jenkins/Mayfield make it to 31, there’s a good chance they are BPA.

But that’s highly unlikely.

It’s much more likely that we can get a guy like Hudson, Little, or Smith on day 2.

I don’t know why you have this backwards.

The Franchise 02-25-2021 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 15564307)
Not interested in paying this schmuck the salary of a 1st round pick. If he's cut then vet minimum.

You aren’t paying his full contract. Just the base salary....none of which is guaranteed.

htismaqe 02-25-2021 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 15564310)
If there is a good quality LT that you think can be the answer long term then you take them. That’s the definition of BPA considering we wouldn’t be reaching for need since Fisher and Schwartz will be back at some point. Good LT’s are hard to find. There aren’t many of them. They also go quickly in the draft and get our massive salaries in FA, so a year where one might be available late in the first td would be amazing for us.

As for this next season, you play the kid at LT and when Fish comes back you put them inside at LG. It’s Allegretti and Wylie at that spot currently. That’s not a difficult decision. As Andy says “okay the 5 best guys”.

A cheap quality LT changes everything. One of the highest paid players on your team is now cheap for 5 years while you have the highest paid player in the league. They could also dump Clark after this year and have a ton of money free for reloading the roster.

Again, they need to determine that one of those prospects is worthy but considering this class it’s very possible.

If Fisher comes back and signs a multiyear extension, you don't have a cheap quality LT. You have TWO LT's and one of them is expensive.

There's no reason to double up at the spot.

And the whole talk about just taking an OT and moving them to guard - that's not how it works and it's not a good use of resources.

If there's a STUD LT there at 31, he's a LT, not a guard and you don't move him just because Fisher is back.

RunKC 02-25-2021 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15564314)
Yes, RunKC, if Cosmi/Jenkins/Mayfield make it to 31, there’s a good chance they are BPA.

But that’s highly unlikely.

It’s much more likely that we can get a guy like Hudson, Little, or Smith on day 2.

I don’t know why you have this backwards.

Idk that Hudson will be there past 50 tbh. Matt Miller has him as his 38th best player currently. Word is he made a shit ton of money at the Senior Bowl too.

Little will be an interesting case study. I don’t see him falling to round 3 bc he’s got the athleticism, measurables and his knee is probably fine being a year and a half post surgery/rehab.

Those types of guys alway go early. But this year is definitely different.

Sassy Squatch 02-25-2021 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 15564318)
You aren’t paying his full contract. Just the base salary....none of which is guaranteed.

That's still too expensive. Look at the list of stupid shit this dude did.

https://atozsportsnashville.com/tenn...-field-issues/

Sassy Squatch 02-25-2021 04:06 PM

Seriously. What the **** is wrong with this guy's brain?

https://atozsportsnashville.com/wp-c...2/IMG_7706.jpg

RunKC 02-25-2021 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15564314)
Yes, RunKC, if Cosmi/Jenkins/Mayfield make it to 31, there’s a good chance they are BPA.

But that’s highly unlikely.

It’s much more likely that we can get a guy like Hudson, Little, or Smith on day 2.

I don’t know why you have this backwards.

It’s gonna suck when Ballard crushes my dream and drafts Cosmi to go with Nelson, Kelly, Glowinski and Smith.

God Carson Wentz is gonna be ****ing set. Jesus

DaneMcCloud 02-25-2021 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 15564340)
God Carson Wentz is gonna be ****ing set. Jesus

Too bad the dude is hot garbage.

Not only is he a shell of his former self, he completely lost the locker room last year in Philly.

He's going to have an uphill battle in Indy, especially if he continues to act like an arrogant prick despite his shitty play on the field.

The Colts are the new Cowboys. Great running back and offensive line but no receivers and a shitty QB.

BossChief 02-25-2021 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15563909)
From what I’ve read, Okwara isn’t bad against the run, just not great.

I don’t know a lot about him so take this with a grain of salt, but PFF has him at a 45.8 against the run. That might be the lowest grade for a front 7 player I’ve seen.

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 15564098)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Packers?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Packers</a> C Corey Linsley to <a href="https://twitter.com/SiriusXMNFL?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@SiriusXMNFL</a> on free agency: “We’re not closing the door on anything. We&#39;d never do that, especially to the Packers. It looks like all signs point towards snapping the ball somewhere else next year. ... If it doesn&#39;t work out, I wish them the best.”</p>&mdash; NFL Update (@MySportsUpdate) <a href="https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1365024403071901697?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 25, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

He’s the top FA target on my wishlist after news broke about Schwartz probably coming back.

He’s easily the best center in the NFL and is great in the run and pass game.

He would immediately upgrade the line over what we had in Reiter...and by a wide margin.

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 15564318)
You aren’t paying his full contract. Just the base salary....none of which is guaranteed.

I think all first rounders deals are fully guaranteed, bro.

Sassy Squatch 02-25-2021 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 15564533)
I don’t know a lot about him so take this with a grain of salt, but PFF has him at a 45.8 against the run. That might be the lowest grade for a front 7 player I’ve seen.



He’s the top FA target on my wishlist after news broke about Schwartz probably coming back.

He’s easily the best center in the NFL and is great in the run and pass game.

He would immediately upgrade the line over what we had in Reiter...and by a wide margin.



I think all first rounders deals are fully guaranteed, bro.

He was suspended a game, I believe. That would void the guarantees, right?


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