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DJ's left nut 02-10-2023 12:00 PM
This will be the game that Frank Clark establishes himself as the league's PREMIER cover lineman.

Zone blitz, Hurts doesn't see it, gets sped up and BOOM - Clark takes a pick the other way for 6...

The Franchise 02-10-2023 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16797163)
This will be the game that Frank Clark establishes himself as the league's PREMIER cover lineman.

Zone blitz, Hurts doesn't see it, gets sped up and BOOM - Clark takes a pick the other way for 6...
This board if that actually happens....would be one of the greatest things I've ever seen. TwistedChief would never shutup.

tredadda 02-10-2023 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16797158)
I'd rather have that OL vs. the 49ers DL than our present OL vs. the Eagles DL.

Interior lines are easier to find help for. You can help OTs, but you can't really just shade protection to do it. You have to actually use RBs and TEs to provide it most of the time.

I think you can be more pro-active in what you do when you have strong tackles than when you have a strong IOL.
That's fair which is why I was asking. While the 49er Dline was better than Philly's, this Eagle's Dline vs this Chiefs Oline is a tougher challenge and could be the difference in the game.

Mecca 02-10-2023 12:05 PM
There is a ton of clips on that dudes page that show that the Eagles run simple passing concepts and if a defense can take it away, Hurts bails. He doesn't go through progressions, he looks at where it's suppose to go and if it's not there he just bails.

And their counters seem to be he either just throws screens or takes deep shots, a ton of his passes are 50/50 balls outside of the numbers.

Hurts is a dude that could at some point throw 5 picks in a game because he's making decisions before the ball is snapped and if it isn't there he immediately panics.

tredadda 02-10-2023 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16797134)
I'd stay back early.

The only thing that can really slow down the Chiefs offense is poor execution, IMO. And if you start sending heat, you speed them up and may actually HELP them get locked in.

It's like a manager putting on a hit and run call when he has a hitter struggling. Now the hitter HAS to swing the bat and maybe he gets out of his own head and finds the barrel.

You blitz Mahomes early and you're going to immediately get him focused. And if that happens, you're boned.
Makes sense, I was just looking at it by playing the long game. Hit Mahomes early and often (most likely through the blitz) while sacrificing yards and points in the hopes that later in the game he hears ghosts and commits unforced errors.

DJ's left nut 02-10-2023 12:08 PM
The execution of these respective units will HEAVILY favor the Chiefs, IMO.

Our coaches can/will call far more varied and dynamic concepts on both offense and defense because they have a bunch of dudes who will execute it.

Maybe, in a vacuum, the Eagles have marginally more talent. But the Chiefs put their comparable talent to higher/better use.

smithandrew051 02-10-2023 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 16797172)
There is a ton of clips on that dudes page that show that the Eagles run simple passing concepts and if a defense can take it away, Hurts bails. He doesn't go through progressions, he looks at where it's suppose to go and if it's not there he just bails.

And their counters seem to be he either just throws screens or takes deep shots, a ton of his passes are 50/50 balls outside of the numbers.

Hurts is a dude that could at some point throw 5 picks in a game because he's making decisions before the ball is snapped and if it isn't there he immediately panics.
The number of sacks that the Eagles have allowed despite having the supposed best OL in football and a trio of great WRs/TE seems to confirm that Hurts has a long ways to go reading defenses.

That’s why I like Kalrlaftis in this game. His motor is relentless. I think he’ll eventually get there, while Hurts is taking too long.

Megatron96 02-10-2023 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16797169)
This board if that actually happens....would be one of the greatest things I've ever seen. TwistedChief would never shutup.
Lolz, what will be really hilarious I’d watching all the Frank haters twisting the facts into a pretzel trying to downplay whatever play Frank actually makes. “It was just a coverage pick-6!! Anybody could do it!!! Those don’t count!!!” Et cetera and so on:)

tredadda 02-10-2023 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 16797172)
There is a ton of clips on that dudes page that show that the Eagles run simple passing concepts and if a defense can take it away, Hurts bails. He doesn't go through progressions, he looks at where it's suppose to go and if it's not there he just bails.

And their counters seem to be he either just throws screens or takes deep shots, a ton of his passes are 50/50 balls outside of the numbers.

Hurts is a dude that could at some point throw 5 picks in a game because he's making decisions before the ball is snapped and if it isn't there he immediately panics.
That's also why having a spy on him will be important. If he bails and takes off he needs to be hit hard and often. If his throwing shoulder is messed up, those hits will inevitably add up. Plus I don't believe he is a slide first QB.

smithandrew051 02-10-2023 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16797176)
The execution of these respective units will HEAVILY favor the Chiefs, IMO.

Our coaches can/will call far more varied and dynamic concepts on both offense and defense because they have a bunch of dudes who will execute it.

Maybe, in a vacuum, the Eagles have marginally more talent. But the Chiefs put their comparable talent to higher/better use.
I find it hard to believe that the Eagles aren’t just “happy to be here”.

Mahomes and Reid are in full legacy mode.

I always favor the matchups and schemes over the intangibles, but I’ve seen Hurts in a National Championship. It wasn’t pretty.

DJ's left nut 02-10-2023 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 16797182)
I find it hard to believe that the Eagles aren’t just “happy to be here”.

Mahomes and Reid are in full legacy mode.

I always favor the matchups and schemes over the intangibles, but I’ve seen Hurts in a National Championship. It wasn’t pretty.
If you just put a helmet on Tua and told him "Games on - go throw the ball" he's probably so addled at this point he wouldn't give it a second thought...

Eagles may need him to bail out Hurts again on Sunday.

Tribal Warfare 02-10-2023 12:13 PM
The unsung heroes will be Brandon Williams and Khalen Saunders to plug and stymie the Eagles running game

tredadda 02-10-2023 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 16797182)
I find it hard to believe that the Eagles aren’t just “happy to be here”.

Mahomes and Reid are in full legacy mode.

I always favor the matchups and schemes over the intangibles, but I’ve seen Hurts in a National Championship. It wasn’t pretty.
Honestly though, the current version of Hurts is miles different then that one. Being replaced by Tua was probably the best thing that ever happened to him from a QB development perspective.

htismaqe 02-10-2023 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 16797182)
I find it hard to believe that the Eagles aren’t just “happy to be here”.

Mahomes and Reid are in full legacy mode.

I always favor the matchups and schemes over the intangibles, but I’ve seen Hurts in a National Championship. It wasn’t pretty.
Not sure I'd say they're just happy to be there. They were the #1 team pretty much all year and they just won a Super Bowl in 2017.

I agree with you though, they're the inexperienced team when compared to KC. They're more susceptible to being "wide eyed" than the Chiefs are, by a lot.

ChiefsFanatic 02-10-2023 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16796839)
I really think, given the Eagles ferocious front four-and make no mistake-they ARE formidable-

I really think that the difference in this game will be Pacheco and Mckinnon.
I think that ties in to what I think will determine the game, and that is Andy's game plan.

I am obviously not an expert, but early in the game we have to use a lot of screens, slants, and short, quick passes.

We need to be on the short game early, because as the game goes on, it will slow down their rush because they won't be sure if it's a screen or an outlet pass, and they will hesitate just a bit.

So, McKinnon and Pacheco would be huge in the screen game, but I wouldn't limit it to just backs.

And if we can slow their rush just a little bit, after attacking short, the defense could open up for some deep passes.

So, hit the backs, Toney, and even Kelce on quick hitters, screens, and slants, the defense won't be able to just pick a spot on the backfield and go, and we limit their rush and protect Wiley, and to some extent Brown, in the process.

I am also all for running the ball, unless we keep running it up the middle for 2 yards over and over.

And I would say there is an honorable mention, and that's the defense being physical with Hurts. I am not saying play dirty, but when a hard, legal hit is there, we need to make sure Hurts feels it. I would never say let's injure the other team's QB, but their defense sure as hell is going to be physical with Mahomes.

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tredadda 02-10-2023 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16797192)
Not sure I'd say they're just happy to be there. They were the #1 team pretty much all year and they just won a Super Bowl in 2017.

I agree with you though, they're the inexperienced team when compared to KC. They're more susceptible to being "wide eyed" than the Chiefs are, by a lot.
Maybe at QB and HC. Despite KC being in the SB recently, how many people on this team were part of the last SB (starters I mean)? Off the top of my head the only ones I can think of are:

Mahomes
CEH
Hardman (who is on the IR)
Wylie
Kelce
Clark
Jones
Danna (who's not really a starter)
Thornhill
Sneed
Saunders

It's actually pretty amazing to see how much turnover that is on this team as they should have more from a team that was in the SB two years ago.

Easy 6 02-10-2023 12:23 PM
Can we get Kyle to check in on and grease up the server before Sunday?

Gotsta have my CP for the big game…

tredadda 02-10-2023 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic (Post 16797201)
I think that ties in to what I think will determine the game, and that is Andy's game plan.

I am obviously not an expert, but early in the game we have to use a lot of screens, slants, and short, quick passes.

We need to be on the short game early, because as the game goes on, it will slow down their rush because they won't be sure if it's a screen or an outlet pass, and they will hesitate just a bit.

So, McKinnon and Pacheco would be huge in the screen game, but I wouldn't limit it to just backs.

And if we can slow their rush just a little bit, after attacking short, the defense could open up for some deep passes.

So, hit the backs, Toney, and even Kelce on quick hitters, screens, and slants, the defense won't be able to just pick a spot on the backfield and go, and we limit their rush and protect Wiley, and to some extent Brown, in the process.

I am also all for running the ball, unless we keep running it up the middle for 2 yards over and over.

And I would say there is an honorable mention, and that's the defense being physical with Hurts. I am not saying play dirty, but when a hard, legal hit is there, we need to make sure Hurts feels it. I would never say let's injure the other team's QB, but their defense sure as hell is going to be physical with Mahomes.

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Based off of prior experiences, I trust Mahomes and Andy against a top defense more than Philly's defense vs us.

Tribal Warfare 02-10-2023 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 16797207)
Maybe at QB and HC. Despite KC being in the SB recently, how many people on this team were part of the last SB (starters I mean)? Off the top of my head the only ones I can think of are:

Mahomes
CEH
Hardman (who is on the IR)
Wylie
Kelce
Clark
Jones
Danna (who's not really a starter)
Thornhill
Sneed
Saunders

It's actually pretty amazing to see how much turnover that is on this team as they should have more from a team that was in the SB two years ago.
If you're talking about being in a SB in general then Thuney should be on that list

tredadda 02-10-2023 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 16797215)
If you're talking about being in a SB in general then Thuney should be on that list
True. I realized that after posting. Still a surprisingly small number. Something like 8 of our 22 starters (if Saunders is counted as a starter) have been in a SB. Not as huge an experience advantage as initially one would think.

Hammock Parties 02-10-2023 12:28 PM
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tk13 02-10-2023 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16797065)
AJ Brown played on those Titans team and it was still a Tennessee Titans Situation. Smith's a little better than Corey Davis was at that time, but not substantially so.

The Eagles are closer to the '19 Titans than anyone will acknowledge, IMO.
Eh I don't know about that. Devonta Smith is an elite talent, he would be a monster in the Chiefs offense. I think Corey Davis would end up similar to MVS, a guy who can blow up and has talent but Devonta is on another level. He's only a second year player and he had a better year this year than Corey Davis has ever had. Goedert is good too, they have elite pass catchers.

raybec 4 02-10-2023 12:42 PM
This ****ing goof has no real football knowledge at all.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/s...eams%20players.

His bold prediction is an Eagles blowout.

1. Quez Watkins scores the first touchdown of the game

2. Patrick Mahomes gets sacked four or more times as Eagles pass rush makes history

3. Travis Kelce's eight-game streak of having 75+ receiving yards ends

4. A.J. Brown catches TD, but doesn't put up huge numbers

5. The Eagles win the Super Bowl by 14 or more points

Skyy God 02-10-2023 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 16797224)
Sexy.

htismaqe 02-10-2023 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 16797247)
This ****ing goof has no real football knowledge at all.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/s...eams%20players.

His bold prediction is an Eagles blowout.

1. Quez Watkins scores the first touchdown of the game

2. Patrick Mahomes gets sacked four or more times as Eagles pass rush makes history

3. Travis Kelce's eight-game streak of having 75+ receiving yards ends

4. A.J. Brown catches TD, but doesn't put up huge numbers

5. The Eagles win the Super Bowl by 14 or more points
It was written by some dude named Garrett Podell. He's probably an intern.

RunKC 02-10-2023 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 16797182)
I find it hard to believe that the Eagles aren’t just “happy to be here”.

Mahomes and Reid are in full legacy mode.

I always favor the matchups and schemes over the intangibles, but I’ve seen Hurts in a National Championship. It wasn’t pretty.
And his throwing shoulder is not well. He’s 4/12 passing beyond 20 yards since he came back from that injury.

And one of those was the Devonta catch vs SF that shouldn’t have counted.

They need to force him to beat you downfield. Just blitz the hell out of him and stop the run.

raybec 4 02-10-2023 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16797251)
It was written by some dude named Garrett Podell. He's probably an intern.
An intern from Philly no less

htismaqe 02-10-2023 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 16797265)
An intern from Philly no less
He's actually apparently from New York. His first sports job was for SNY. So there's probably no east coast bias there, right?

KCJake 02-10-2023 01:14 PM
This has probably been covered but how in the hell are the Eagles favored to win this game?

htismaqe 02-10-2023 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by KCJake (Post 16797290)
This has probably been covered but how in the hell are the Eagles favored to win this game?
Classic iceberg principle. The vast majority of casual fans and pot-stirring talking heads are barely scratching the surface when analyzing the matchup.

It's simplistic arguments like "the Eagles dominated all year while the Chiefs almost lost to the Texans and Broncos".

htismaqe 02-10-2023 01:20 PM
And if you want to know why the Eagles are favored by Vegas, look no further than the AFCCG. Vegas is really going to love it when the public puts a ton of money on the Eagles and then the Chiefs win...

KCJake 02-10-2023 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16797293)
Classic iceberg principle. The vast majority of casual fans and pot-stirring talking heads are barely scratching the surface when analyzing the matchup.

It's simplistic arguments like "the Eagles dominated all year while the Chiefs almost lost to the Texans and Broncos".
When the line was first set, I thought it was just Vegas trying to stir up some action. I figured by this time, KC would be a 3 point favorite.

Kman34 02-10-2023 01:22 PM
Mark Slurpdick was just on 810 and admitted how much he hates the Chiefs.. Picked Philly and said 100-0.. Then walked it back and said it would be a close Eagle win.. Said he has never met Mahomes..
Mark Schlereth Is a pussy ass bitch and I hate him… **** that guy..

FloridaMan88 02-10-2023 01:23 PM
Holy shit, if Mahomes can build with Toney anything close to the chemistry he has with Kelce, that would be an epic cheat code given Toney’s skill set.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In a conversation with a couple of <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> coaches about the chemistry between Mahomes and Kelce, it was brought up ... unsolicited ... that Mahomes has started building that type of feel with Kadarius Toney. They said Toney&#39;s role/value to the offense has grown because of it <a href="https://t.co/o01T8cqFWZ">https://t.co/o01T8cqFWZ</a></p>&mdash; James Palmer (@JamesPalmerTV) <a href="https://twitter.com/JamesPalmerTV/status/1624094280565522432?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 10, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

smithandrew051 02-10-2023 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Kman34 (Post 16797306)
Mark Slurpdick was just on 810 and admitted how much he hates the Chiefs.. Picked Philly and said 100-0.. Then walked it back and said it would be a close Eagle win.. Said he has never met Mahomes..
Mark Schlereth Is a pussy ass bitch and I hate him… **** that guy..
Probably still pissed that Travis Kelce rejected his daughter

RaidersOftheCellar 02-10-2023 01:24 PM
Just rec'd a random gambling text that reads:

"There are 14 factors which determine the right side. Every single one of the 14 factors indicates that Kansas City will win for sure. There's absolutely no doubt that Kansas City will win this year's Super Bowl."

Chalk it up!

DJ's left nut 02-10-2023 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 16797311)
Holy shit, if Mahomes can build with Toney anything close to the chemistry he has with Kelce, that would be an epic cheat code given Toney’s skill set.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In a conversation with a couple of <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> coaches about the chemistry between Mahomes and Kelce, it was brought up ... unsolicited ... that Mahomes has started building that type of feel with Kadarius Toney. They said Toney&#39;s role/value to the offense has grown because of it <a href="https://t.co/o01T8cqFWZ">https://t.co/o01T8cqFWZ</a></p>&mdash; James Palmer (@JamesPalmerTV) <a href="https://twitter.com/JamesPalmerTV/status/1624094280565522432?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 10, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Kman34 02-10-2023 01:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 16797315)
Just rec'd a random gambling text that reads:

"There are 14 factors which determine the right side. Every single one of the 14 factors indicates that Kansas City will win for sure. There's absolutely no doubt that Kansas City will win this year's Super Bowl."

Chalk it up!
But who will win the puppy bowl??

Lzen 02-10-2023 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 16796963)
ROFL

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Eagles defensive players say QBs Gardner Minshew and Ian Book have been doing a great job in practice playing the role of Patrick Mahomes.<br><br>The QBs studied Patrick and have been improvising like Patrick does and even throwing some no look passes in practice this week.😂 <a href="https://t.co/mL7V7Qyln6">pic.twitter.com/mL7V7Qyln6</a></p>&mdash; John Clark (@JClarkNBCS) <a href="https://twitter.com/JClarkNBCS/status/1624075109677035521?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 10, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Lzen 02-10-2023 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by fan4ever (Post 16797045)
I remember thanking my lucky stars that all took place AFTER...
Right. Unfortunately, as a KU fan, I didn't get that lucky with my hoops team. And they were really freaking good that season. :(

Mr. Plow 02-10-2023 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16797320)
LMAO

Haven't seen that gif in a bit. Now I gotta rewatch Archer.

staylor26 02-10-2023 01:34 PM
Toney might be the SB MVP. This is just the perfect game for him to be unleashed.

MahomesMagic 02-10-2023 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16797251)
It was written by some dude named Garrett Podell. He's probably an intern.
Probably got beat up a lot as a kid.

RaidersOftheCellar 02-10-2023 01:37 PM
I'm reading that almost 70% of the money is coming in on the Chiefs. Is that right?

ThaVirus 02-10-2023 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 16797060)
AJ Brown and Devonta Smith are elite talents in the passing game, this isn't a Tennessee Titans situation, but I'm interested to see if the Chiefs take the ball if they win the coin toss for this reason. Even with that talent you'd probably rather try to get ahead of the Eagles and put some pressure on them for once, they haven't been in that situation a lot and it'd help take them out of their running game.
I understand the thought process but I'd always defer, even with a trash defense.

I think people able to double up or simply just getting the ball back first after half is so valuable.

Lzen 02-10-2023 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16797103)
They’ve been very susceptible to screens and quick plays this year.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I expect this to be a HUGE pressure point for Reid on Sunday<br><br>Here&#39;s a basic summary of how to attack PHI&#39;s defense:<br><br>In 5-1 front: either get to Empty of 3x1 (TE opposite), test their RPO bubble rules<br>In 4-down (Over) front: Run the ball<br><br>Might need to make vid explaining this <a href="https://t.co/fk4zKxKoJV">pic.twitter.com/fk4zKxKoJV</a></p>&mdash; Nate Christensen (@natech32) <a href="https://twitter.com/natech32/status/1624070536849506304?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 10, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">GB was mixing in fair amount of GT Counter runs going strongside, was big against Eagles Penny fronts. Having Marcedes be able to stack DE then work up is such an asset (Marcedes is awesome) but vs a 2H shell the # count can be there and Penny is easier for seals backside <a href="https://t.co/RXYMMMJuBd">pic.twitter.com/RXYMMMJuBd</a></p>&mdash; Nate Christensen (@natech32) <a href="https://twitter.com/natech32/status/1623898709049192449?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 10, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">(different formation but same principles)<br><br>Douggggg.... <a href="https://t.co/OtKcoCBjLc">pic.twitter.com/OtKcoCBjLc</a></p>&mdash; Nate Christensen (@natech32) <a href="https://twitter.com/natech32/status/1623539584775884804?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 9, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Taking a break from PHI defense watch to shoutout Doug Pederson, what a RZ call. PHI wanted to play man in RZ, switch safeties up to deal with jet motion, but WR snaps back outside on motion and it looks CGJ up to try and run in space, terrific design, great man beater <a href="https://t.co/oc4uoIt8jR">pic.twitter.com/oc4uoIt8jR</a></p>&mdash; Nate Christensen (@natech32) <a href="https://twitter.com/natech32/status/1623536209061457920?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 9, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Just goes to show that Doug Pederson is another great offensive mind. And you can bet that Andy will be using some of these concepts.

htismaqe 02-10-2023 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Lzen (Post 16797352)
Just goes to show that Doug Pederson is another great offensive mind. And you can bet that Andy will be using some of these concepts.
Absolutely. Because we all know Pederson got those concepts from Andy Reid in the first place.

ptlyon 02-10-2023 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 16797347)
I'm reading that almost 70% of the money is coming in on the Chiefs. Is that right?
I'm no expert by any means, maybe someone with two connected brain cells can explain. But I don't think that is correct being the money line is still holding firm at -1.5 Philly.

raybec 4 02-10-2023 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by ptlyon (Post 16797368)
I'm no expert by any means, maybe someone with two connected brain cells can explain. But I don't think that is correct being the money line is still holding firm at -1.5 Philly.
I think that's correct, if the money were 70% to the Chiefs the line would shift.

staylor26 02-10-2023 01:53 PM
Yea, from what I've read/heard, the public is betting heavily on the Eagles.

Hammock Parties 02-10-2023 01:55 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&quot;Obviously, the Chiefs are a dynasty if they win Super Bowl LVII.&quot;<br><br>— <a href="https://twitter.com/getnickwright?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@getnickwright</a> explains: <a href="https://t.co/iKovL54CkS">pic.twitter.com/iKovL54CkS</a></p>&mdash; First Things First (@FTFonFS1) <a href="https://twitter.com/FTFonFS1/status/1623847078383259650?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 10, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Prison Bitch 02-10-2023 01:57 PM
The fix is in


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chiefs lead NFL in DPI flags (15) and yds lost (251) bc of those penalties. Eagles drew 10 DPI flags and rank 8th in yards gained (159). Per Joe Gibbs <a href="https://twitter.com/nflrefstats1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@nflrefstats1</a> this Carl Cheffers-led crew ranges from average to above-average in their tendency to call DPI</p>&mdash; Larry Hartstein (@LarryHartstein) <a href="https://twitter.com/LarryHartstein/status/1623391629691465728?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 8, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Hammock Parties 02-10-2023 01:59 PM
shut up slut, MVS is going off

staylor26 02-10-2023 02:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 16797387)
The fix is in


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chiefs lead NFL in DPI flags (15) and yds lost (251) bc of those penalties. Eagles drew 10 DPI flags and rank 8th in yards gained (159). Per Joe Gibbs <a href="https://twitter.com/nflrefstats1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@nflrefstats1</a> this Carl Cheffers-led crew ranges from average to above-average in their tendency to call DPI</p>&mdash; Larry Hartstein (@LarryHartstein) <a href="https://twitter.com/LarryHartstein/status/1623391629691465728?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 8, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
You're probably the most miserable person on CP and that says a lot.

Prison Bitch 02-10-2023 02:08 PM
I’m being facetious you dweebs

siberian khatru 02-10-2023 02:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 16796963)
ROFL

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Eagles defensive players say QBs Gardner Minshew and Ian Book have been doing a great job in practice playing the role of Patrick Mahomes.<br><br>The QBs studied Patrick and have been improvising like Patrick does and even throwing some no look passes in practice this week.😂 <a href="https://t.co/mL7V7Qyln6">pic.twitter.com/mL7V7Qyln6</a></p>&mdash; John Clark (@JClarkNBCS) <a href="https://twitter.com/JClarkNBCS/status/1624075109677035521?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 10, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">My only concern is Chiefs defenders over-running Hurts because they’re used to Henne’s speed</p>&mdash; Taylor Davis (@taylordavis23) <a href="https://twitter.com/taylordavis23/status/1624115613541990417?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 10, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

wachashi 02-10-2023 02:09 PM
My theory on how this game plays out: If we can make Hurts feel game pressure in the second half, we win.

He's so used to playing from a comfortable lead that he's going to melt if the game is close late and especially if they're playing from behind. He will make mistakes under pressure. He will hold the ball, make the wrong read, take a big sack, and miss his throws simply because the pressure of the game is too big for him.

Mahomes turns superhuman when he's playing from behind. Hurts is no Mahomes. He is not used to bearing the weight of responsibility in clutch situations, especially during the biggest game on the biggest stage.

I really feel like the path to victory for the Eagles has to have them take an early two-score lead. If they do that, they have a good chance. If they don't and it's close throughout, the Chiefs are winning.

The Franchise 02-10-2023 02:10 PM
Here’s the last thing I’ll say about Cheffers. If he comes out and it’s blatantly obvious like it was against the Bucs in the SB? Then I don’t want to hear bullshit ever again that we get all of the calls and the NFL wants us to succeed.

ptlyon 02-10-2023 02:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16797404)
Here’s the last thing I’ll say about Cheffers. If he comes out and it’s blatantly obvious like it was against the Bucs in the SB? Then I don’t want to hear bullshit ever again that we get all of the calls and the NFL wants us to succeed.
Noted

DJ's left nut 02-10-2023 02:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 16797347)
I'm reading that almost 70% of the money is coming in on the Chiefs. Is that right?
Not if the line isn't moving.

That much money on one team would move the line pretty substantially and near as I can tell it hasn't moved a bit.

George Liquor 02-10-2023 02:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16797412)
Not if the line isn't moving.

That much money on one team would move the line pretty substantially and near as I can tell it hasn't moved a bit.
It's been KC +1.5 for several days now.

ptlyon 02-10-2023 02:21 PM
Windfall for Vegas

Redden 02-10-2023 02:24 PM
Congratulations Kansas City fans. I don't know who whined more, the Bengals or the 49ers after losing, but here we are. This Super Bowl should be one for the ages. I wish you guys luck and obviously I hope for an Eagles win but I'm expecting a great game.

kepp 02-10-2023 02:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Redden (Post 16797427)
Congratulations Kansas City fans. I don't know who whined more, the Bengals or the 49ers after losing, but here we are. This Super Bowl should be one for the ages. I wish you guys luck and obviously I hope for an Eagles win but I'm expecting a great game.
Oh goodness...neither would shut up. I think it's still happening. Welcome.

tredadda 02-10-2023 02:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Redden (Post 16797427)
Congratulations Kansas City fans. I don't know who whined more, the Bengals or the 49ers after losing, but here we are. This Super Bowl should be one for the ages. I wish you guys luck and obviously I hope for an Eagles win but I'm expecting a great game.
Thank you. The Eagles are a very good team and deserve to be in the SB. I definitely do not think that the team that wins will have an easy time doing it. Oh and the Bengals are the worst. They honestly think KC only won because the league is rigged and the refs did not want KC to lose.

DRM08 02-10-2023 02:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16797412)
Not if the line isn't moving.

That much money on one team would move the line pretty substantially and near as I can tell it hasn't moved a bit.
It is pretty strange that the betting line has not moved at all in either direction the last couple weeks. Like Andy Reid said before the Bengals game: the Eagles are a very good team, but we'll play the game and see how it goes. I think it's pretty much a 50/50 coin toss.

tredadda 02-10-2023 02:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 16797440)
It is pretty strange that the betting line has not moved at all in either direction the last couple weeks. Like Andy Reid said before the Bengals game: the Eagles are a very good team, but we'll play the game and see how it goes. I think it's pretty much a 50/50 coin toss.
Oh it is. I think the Eagles are a very good and deserving team and will not be a cakewalk. On a different note, KC will easily be the best team the Eagles play all year and wont be a team they can steamroll.

staylor26 02-10-2023 02:37 PM
I just don't see the 50/50 thing at all.

The Chiefs should absolutely win this game.

George Liquor 02-10-2023 02:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 16797440)
It is pretty strange that the betting line has not moved at all in either direction the last couple weeks. Like Andy Reid said before the Bengals game: the Eagles are a very good team, but we'll play the game and see how it goes. I think it's pretty much a 50/50 coin toss.
It opened at KC +2 so it's moved a tiny bit, but it's been +1.5 for at least a week now.

ReynardMuldrake 02-10-2023 02:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 16797399)
I’m being facetious you dweebs
Know your role and shut yo mouth

George Liquor 02-10-2023 02:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 16797315)
Just rec'd a random gambling text that reads:

"There are 14 factors which determine the right side. Every single one of the 14 factors indicates that Kansas City will win for sure. There's absolutely no doubt that Kansas City will win this year's Super Bowl."

Chalk it up!
That's all the information I needed

Betting the mortgage on KC moneyline.

kccrow 02-10-2023 02:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 16797247)
This ****ing goof has no real football knowledge at all.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/s...eams%20players.

His bold prediction is an Eagles blowout.

1. Quez Watkins scores the first touchdown of the game

2. Patrick Mahomes gets sacked four or more times as Eagles pass rush makes history

3. Travis Kelce's eight-game streak of having 75+ receiving yards ends

4. A.J. Brown catches TD, but doesn't put up huge numbers

5. The Eagles win the Super Bowl by 14 or more points
Sweet.

Here's my bold prediction.
  • Mahomes will throw for over 450 yards and 6 TDs
  • Mahomes doesn't get sacked
  • Kelce has 115 yards and 2 TDs
  • MVS has 165 yards and 3 TDs
  • McKinnon has 105 yards and 1 TD
  • The Eagles score only one TD
  • The Chiefs get 6 sacks on defense
  • The Chiefs defense holds the Eagles to less than 100 yards on the ground.
  • Hurts throws 3 interceptions
  • The Chiefs are going to absolutely curb-stomp the Eagles 56-10. Queue the scene from American History X.

There is but one king and one Kingdom.


I hope that was homer enough. :)

raybec 4 02-10-2023 02:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 16797479)
Sweet.

Here's my bold prediction.
  • Mahomes will throw for over 450 yards and 6 TDs
  • Mahomes doesn't get sacked
  • Kelce has 115 yards and 2 TDs
  • MVS has 165 yards and 3 TDs
  • McKinnon has 105 yards and 1 TD
  • The Eagles score only one TD
  • The Chiefs get 6 sacks on defense
  • The Chiefs defense holds the Eagles to less than 100 yards on the ground.
  • Hurts throws 3 interceptions
  • The Chiefs are going to absolutely curb-stomp the Eagles 56-10. Queue the scene from American History X.

There is but one king and one Kingdom.


I hope that was homer enough. :)
It's so homer I thought it was Staylor posting.

Lzen 02-10-2023 03:00 PM
Was listening to Mitch Holthaus on 610am on the drive to work this morning. He said something about how everyone is talking about the Eagles sack totals while ignoring the Chiefs. The Eagles have 8 sacks this postseason but the Chiefs have 7.

duncan_idaho 02-10-2023 03:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 16797479)
Sweet.

Here's my bold prediction.
  • Mahomes will throw for over 450 yards and 6 TDs
  • Mahomes doesn't get sacked
  • Kelce has 115 yards and 2 TDs
  • MVS has 165 yards and 3 TDs
  • McKinnon has 105 yards and 1 TD
  • The Eagles score only one TD
  • The Chiefs get 6 sacks on defense
  • The Chiefs defense holds the Eagles to less than 100 yards on the ground.
  • Hurts throws 3 interceptions
  • The Chiefs are going to absolutely curb-stomp the Eagles 56-10. Queue the scene from American History X.

There is but one king and one Kingdom.


I hope that was homer enough. :)
I've got the following. Slightly homer take.

Chiefs win 34-22

Predictions:

1. Kadarius Toney scores a TD on a bubble screen
2. Sneed has a sack and forces a turnover (either a strip on the sack or an INT)
3. Jody Fortson has a TD catch

Game flow prediction:

Chiefs win toss, defer
Eagles stopped cold on first two drives as the Chiefs dial up pressure and slow down the run game and rush Hurts, who continues to not perform well vs. blitz.
Chiefs score TD on first drive.
Eagles punt.
Chiefs score another TD.
Philly gets on the board with TD.
Chiefs run 2-minute offense and kick FG before 1/2, lead 17-7 at half.
Chiefs score TD to open 2nd half (24-7)
Eagles TD (24-14)
Chiefs kick FG (27-14)
Eagles score TD, go for 2 (Hurts gets Octopus). (27-22)
Chiefs TD drive (34-22)
Eagles get ball back with less than 4 minutes to go. Hurts can't make it happen in must-pass situations, Frank Clark gets a sack on 4th down to turn the Eagles over and put it in clock-kill mode (and claim 2nd all time for playoff sacks)
Chiefs win 34-22

National media downplays this accomplishment by pointing out the Eagles outscoring KC 15-7 in 4th quarter and saying they just ran out of town.

Chiefsplanet laughs. And celebrates.

kccrow 02-10-2023 03:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lzen (Post 16797495)
Was listening to Mitch Holthaus on 610am on the drive to work this morning. He said something about how everyone is talking about the Eagles sack totals while ignoring the Chiefs. The Eagles have 8 sacks this postseason but the Chiefs have 7.
All the while the Eagles played Daniel Jones and Broken Purdy while the Chiefs played Trevor Lawrence and Joe Arrowhead. I'd say there was a "modest" uptick in the ability to process defenses and get rid of the ball quickly.

Dark Horse 02-10-2023 03:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 16797479)
Sweet.

Here's my bold prediction.
[LIST]



There is but one king and one Kingdom.

:)
King Patrick the dream crusher

DJ's left nut 02-10-2023 03:12 PM
Have you seen Spags post-season in KC against teams in their first 3 possessions?

2020:
Cleveland: FG, Punt, Fumble lost
Buffalo: FG, Punt, TD (3 yard drive after muffed punt)
TB: Punt, Punt, TD

2021:
Pit: Punt*3
Buffalo: TD, Punt, Punt
Cin: Punt, FG, Punt

2022:

Jax: Punt, TD, Punt
Cincy: Punt, Punt, FG


All this "The Eagles can get off to a fast start and then play from in front..." stuff just doesn't stand up to how Spags defenses have performed in the post-season. He does a really nice job of having his defenses coming out prepared for the team in front of them.

If the Eagles manage 7 or fewer points on their first 3 possessions, they'll be down 10+ points before they get their 4th...

smithandrew051 02-10-2023 03:15 PM
I think the Chiefs have a bit of an off day.

The game stays tied 0-0 until the end of the Chiefs first possession.

After a sluggish start, the Chiefs pull away late in the first quarter and win 69-0.

duncan_idaho 02-10-2023 03:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16797510)
Have you seen Spags post-season in KC against teams in their first 3 possessions?

2020:
Cleveland: FG, Punt, Fumble lost
Buffalo: FG, Punt, TD (3 yard drive after muffed punt)
TB: Punt, Punt, TD

2021:
Pit: Punt*3
Buffalo: TD, Punt, Punt
Cin: Punt, FG, Punt

2022:

Jax: Punt, TD, Punt
Cincy: Punt, Punt, FG


All this "The Eagles can get off to a fast start and then play from in front..." stuff just doesn't stand up to how Spags defenses have performed in the post-season. He does a really nice job of having his defenses coming out prepared for the team in front of them.

If the Eagles manage 7 or fewer points on their first 3 possessions, they'll be down 10+ points before they get their 4th...
So, 1.7 points per possession.

Which is below the NFL average. And they're doing this to playoff teams QBed by real QBs.

The worst QB in that grouping is Ben Roethlisberger. Who, even old, is better than anyone the Eagles played in the NFC rounds.


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