They ****ing suck and we should go in there and beat them handily. Enough wtih this shit man.

Chiefs had plenty of games where they won by multiple scores every year until this year.

Hope we get some turnovers because Jameis is gonna do what Jameis does. You drop his INT balls you lose, ask the Ravens.

Not practicing again today.

Yikes! Hopefully they start Thuney at LT if Humphries is a no go, let Morris play LG

I can almost guarantee Morris is starting at tackle..

Watson can’t be out of the league soon enough, **** that guy.

I like the Browns next year with Famous Jameis at their QB.

Probably so but not as many as you'd expect from a team that has an incredible win percentage since Mahomes became starter. They like to play with their food so to speak.

When I have time, I'll review a log of their games going back to 2018 to see how many were close throughout. The defense by itself kept many opponents in the game in Mahomes' early years.

2020 stands out because they were 14-2 and it felt like every game was close that year.

Hell, I just remember the beginning of 2018. Mahomes had 10 TD and zero turnovers in the first 2 games. Both of those games were much closer in 4th quarter than they should have been. For the most part the games have been pretty damn close the last 6 years. Cardiac Chiefs.

Jameis is a black Ryan Fitzpatrick with more athleticism. Just like Fitzpatrick, he’s a hot/cold QB. When he’s on he is lethal. When he’s off, he’s really off. It’s so unpredictable as to which one you are gonna get week in and week out. Not sure if the Browns should commit to him long term.

Spot on. It’s been this way since the 2020 Super Bowl win. Mainly because:
A) we always have a hard schedule due to finishing in the Super Bowl
B) we get EVERYONES best game. We are 99% of the NFL’s Super Bowl game, not just divisional rivals, every team.
C) we play conservatively in the regular season so we can do better in play offs. We open games by marching the field with ease, score, then go ‘right let’s not doing anything fancy now’ oh shit we’re tied in 4th Q, ‘right get the proper playbook out’

And the KC defense does not force a ton of turnovers, which is the quickest way to blowout the opponent. If the other team pretty much has 0 turnovers every week, your Offense better have their A+ game if you hope to blowout the opponent.

Chiefs are Tied for 30th in turnovers forced this year. They were tied for 28th in turnovers forced last year. The real question everyone should be asking is why are the Steelers not blowing out their opponents more often? They lead the league in turnovers forced with 28. Compare that to only 10 turnovers forced by KC Defense this year.

So the question is what changes from two weeks ago when Wayna was a turnstile of failure?

Cleveland's defense is better than the Raiders, with arguably the most talented pass rusher in the NFL.

Are the Chiefs going to adjust schematically to ensure that Cleveland doesn't exploit Wanya?

Man I hope they're having the backs commit to help Morris against Garrett.

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2024/...-myles-garrett

The fact that Morris went out there at the end of the Charger game instead of moving Thuney leads me to believe he is playing Sunday… As for a plan??? Hope, pray and quick passes..

Right. Although they've been very successful, there's a danger to playing such a flippant style. You can't always turn on the light switch and other times it might be too late.

In both 2018 and 2021, the offense didn't show up for a half and it lost them championship games against the Patriots and Bengals.

That's just bullshit. They beat Baltimore and Pittsburgh since Jameis took over and nearly beat Denver on the road on MNF.

They don't "****ing suck". At all.

Browns are 21st in run defense allowing 128 rush yards per game.

They need to run the ball down their throats but Andy’s fatal flaw is that running the ball is boring to him.

Quick passes, screens, rolling away from Garrett.

Andy won’t do it but FFS put Firsker next to Wanya on passing downs to help him.

It’s more about matchups than it is better vs worse

But dj needs to be healthy asap. Thankfully thr browns aren’t good

This and also running more tempo to negate the pass rush… which worked against the Chargers.

I agree! Jameis might throw 3 interceptions but at the same time throw for 400 yards. With the way our secondary has been performing, the Browns are dangerous, and not to be taken lightly. IMO

They played close division games and got rolled by the Chargers and Saints. The Broncos put 41 on them.

The Chiefs need to cut out the bullshit non focused football and go out and play a complete football game and beat someone. They keep ****ing around, they'll lose a close one.

Not running the ball more in the last game was nuts. The Chiefs were ahead most of the game, Mahomes was getting hit constantly, and the run game wasn't poor. Andy/Nagy didn't help the offense much. Mahomes has taken a lot of punishment in recent weeks.

While it is true that CLE is giving up 128yds/gm on the ground for the season, over their last 3 games vs. PIT/DEN/PIT, they've given up just 115 yds/gm, which would currently make them 12th vs. the run. And both PIT and DEN run the ball more than most teams, iirc, so it's not like CLE played two teams that don't run the ball over their last three.

And for those of us that watched all three, or at least two, of these games, it was pretty obvious that CLE's front was able to blunt both DEN/PIT rushing attacks most of the time.

They were running for 2 yards a pop.

Just run the ball isn't the answer when the defense is playing basically telling you "we dare you to throw it deep".

Crazy how far our passing game has fallen. I remember when 4th and 15 was being rumored as a replacement for the onside kick and people were legitimately against it because they were scared KC would go for it all the time.

This thread has morphed into some sort of alternate discussion.

What's the latest on Big Hump?

Didn't practice today, no way he's playing

Its Morris or Thuney

Pacheco/Hunt were averaging 3.7 YPC on 19 carries. Not good but not so bad that you must abandon the run with a lead when you're taking pressure on almost every passing play.

14 of the 41 was Pick 6's by the Denver defense. Will the Chiefs defense do that to Jameis?

“Day to Day”.

The good news is it doesn’t matter if it’s the chargers top two d or the raiders bottom two D, the e play exactly the same.

Almost like that was during rookie contract Mahomes and having prime Travis Kelce, Tyreek Hill, Eric Fisher and Mitchell Schwartz is pretty difficult to replicate when you are paying your QB so much and draft at the end of every round.

It can be done though. Look at Detroit. Huge money contract for Goff, including $80 million this year. Big money spent on a stud WR, LT, and RT. Look at Philly. Big money QB. Big money OL. Two big money WR's. Big money RB. Big money on defense too. They still haven't really paid the price for Howie Roseman's aggressive cap management through the years.

Penei Sewell-7th pick
Taylor Decker-16th pick
Jahmyr Gibbs-12th pick
Jameson Williams-12th pick

Lane Johnson-4th pick
Devonta Smith-10th pick

The Chiefs will never draft anywhere close this high with Mahomes

The Chiefs are spending big $$$ at RT, Center, LG, and TE (Kelce with the highest AAV among all TE’s).

That's true. But once you get past the draft, I am looking at the contracts on these guys. Huge money being thrown around by both of those teams, seemingly without any consequence. Eagle fans swear that everyone else always says Roseman's aggressive cap management will catch up to them, but their fans claim it has not really happened yet after 10+ years.

It will, to some extent, in 2026. A bunch of Voids hit then, to the tune of like 80m.

I guess we'll see. The Saints have kind of proven that you can wiggle out of all kinds of salary cap problems even when you appear to be dead in the water. Philly seems pretty good at those wiggle moves as well.

Yeah, that's why I say "to some extent," because the cap always grows too. It will never fully implode them but they might have a tighter year like Dallas and New Orleans had this season where you can't get too overzealous in FA like Howie normally is.

The OL has absolutely ****ed the offense

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But if you have:

Bernhard Raimann: 3rd round
Zach Tom: 5th round
De'von Achane: 3rd Round
George Pickens: 2nd round

You have MORE than enough to stand toe to toe with the Lions at those positions.

We put a LOT on draft position when the bottom line is that we're taking guys like Cook, Kinnard, Moore and Wanya Morris instead of those guys.

At a point, draft position didn't get us here. Simply making questionable picks did.

Add in the pressures that blow plays up and the missed reads because of phantoms in Mahomes' head due to said pressures, and that just exponentially grows the issue.

Yeah, I mean you can probably add CEH, and wouldn't be surprised if guys like FAU and Kingsley as well.

Obviously no-one hits on them all so fair enough, but there's been plenty of misses and the last couple of years haven't seemed the best.

We have the best QB in football. We can't keep using the "drafting in the back of rounds" excuse. Especially when 2 of the players you just listed were a 3rd and 5th round pick and one of the others was a free agent. After the first round, that excuse shouldn't really exist anyways.

We're starting to treat Mahomes and the offense like Alex Smith and his offenses where everything has to be perfect around him for him to succeed.

Exactly.

Yes if only Veach or any GM can just get a first ballot HOF TE and first ballot HOF WR in rds 3 and 5 ROFL

Think Dorsey did thus and I g he see read here that he sucks so ….

This data is really pretty useless without a comparison to how other teams did given the same circumstances. Of course if we don't screw up on any drives and other teams do we will be #1. The Oline is definitely an issue, but this doesn't give definition to that.

Well to be fair the Chiefs haven’t really struggled with weapons. Rashee Rice and Xavier Worthy were excellent picks. Noah Gray also an excellent pick relative to his draft position.

They’ve also been fantastic with the interior OL. LDT was a great pick, Zach Fulton and Nick Allegretti were great picks relative to their draft position, Creed and Trey were grand slams.

The Packers have been the best team in the league developing any and every offensive player. I’m extremely jealous of that staff. Jordan Love, almost any WR they draft is solid at worst, Tucker Kraft is an awesome TE. They’re just awesome there.

They do make their fair share of mistakes though. Josh Myers over Creed Humphrey never made sense to me. Jordan Morgan never made sense and he’s been as bad as Kingsley.

Seems like our staff can’t figure out tackle. They can get everything down but that position.

This is stupid. I'm just pointing out that players are there to be had even in later rounds regardless of where you're drafting. Using the whole "they draft at the end of rounds" argument makes no sense after the first round. It's just an excuse. After that, all the players are up for grabs like DJ has pointed out.

And we still have drafted plenty of good players and acquired other good players. With the best QB in football, we shouldn't be talking about Tyreek, Mitchell Schwartz, or Eric Fisher still.

The point being that these weren't shocking draft picks.

I don't know who peruses the draft thread, but rest assured that guys like Achane and Raimann has loud backers over there. Obviously Pickens as well. These are guys who were people that were highly regarded by us normies over there.

Meanwhile Cook, a guy who projected as a box safety, was a strange pick from the instant it was made. The Moore Wars are well established.

I'm not killing him for not grabbing Kittle, for instance. And he deserves credit for a guy like Snead that many of us were NOT on.

But let's not act like these would've been off the wall picks out there. These are guys who looked at the time like they would've been damn good picks and we just didn't make 'em...

I didn't go discussing the best guys out of each 'missed' spot - just the ones where I know we had extensive conversations about them in the draft forum and they had pretty loud backers.

I don’t research NFC teams much but holy shit. 3 of the 5 OL starters in GB were drafted in the 2022 draft class including their bookend tackles. That’s extremely impressive.

They did get carpet bombed by a depleted Aidan Hutchinson-less Lions team though. It was so bad that they could only have Love throw 20 passes due to pressure.

Too bad they can’t draft and develop defensive players worth a damn where we have been really good there the last few years.

I get it but again has this staff not been finding these guys?

Worthy
Rice
Creed
Trey
Pacheco
Gray

These are good players that were not drafted very early. They’ve struggled finding a tackle unfortunately but everywhere else on offense has been pretty smooth sailing.

Kingsley should probably be TBD though. I think it’s a little early to throw him out completely as a starter at G or T

Drafting players and projecting how they are going to do is not always cut and dried, The later you draft the higher the error rate. Veech is a very good GM but even the best are going to miss if they are picking later in the draft. OT is even harder to hit on you need a extremely atheletic individual that is 320+ hard to find outside the first 1/2 of the first round. They also take a while to develop, a lot of the OT take until their 25 to really hit their full potentioal. Again tough when your in the win now mode.

Also, as good as Mahomes is he is very tough on the tackles. He does not take consistent drops, he moves around a ton. Tackles do not know where he will be.

Veach & Co. cannot draft tackle, not sure why this is. When I see Wanya Morris out there and how bad he is, I wonder what all of these six/seven figure salary people on the Chiefs staff who are paid to analyze hundreds of hours of video, what they even saw to merit drafting him?? Or Kingsley for that matter where it is even worse as was a second round pick.

In this offseason, Veach & Co. need to really reign it in on the OL and their decisions whether draft or FA or both. We need to build a fortress around Mahomes, especially as he gets older. We DO NOT want to Andrew Luck our #15.

Also the Skyy Moore pick was a complete whiff, he had one good play in the Superbowl and that has been all he has done as a 2nd round pick in his three years here. Just another terrible draft pick by Veach. The Kingsley pick is looking to rival the Skyy Moore pick in pathetic-ness. And let's not even talk about FAU.......

I'd never want to play OT for Mahomes (and that was the position I played when I played ball)... It'd be an absolute nightmare because of the harsh angles due to Mahomes' deep drops and then the rollouts are always a PITA to manage.

Yeah, this later in the draft thing is cope for Veach, there are hundreds of great and former players selected in the later rounds or not drafted at all, see Brady or Priest Holmes as just some examples. Sneed was a 4th rounder. I do agree on Mahomes being hard on tackles, he wets the bed too much and gets antsy and starts moving, or he HOLDS IT WAY TOO LONG trying to find time for the slower TE's to get open.

Raimann is actually a reason to not give up on Suamataia, for me. He did not debut well and has taken some time to get to this place. Still time to keep working on the raw clay and get a useful player out of that pick.

Nobody is perfect, obviously. And they're doing better than many teams. Always room to continue to improve (and I thnk Veach and co. are at least a group that is willing to adapt and change approach).

I think the narrative might change a little bit by this time next year. Worthy is on a nice path, Rice was looking like a major hit before his injury. Landing a couple of huge playmakers like that who drive their offense is a big thing.

You look at a guy like Raimann and he started out on a bad Colts team with no hope of the postseason and a shitty QB. They had every opportunity to just let him play out of his bad and into the player he is now. Most of these guys that were taken late and became starters got to do so in the same way as Raimann... playing for teams that weren't playoff quality or were just coming into their own as a cusp team. A couple of years ago when Rasheed Walker and Zach Tom were drafted by the Packers, they weren't quite the good solid playoff team they are now. They could absorb the lumps. Jordan Mailata was drafted in 2018 and didn't play a game at all until 2020 in Hurts rookie year.

Ideally, you'd love to have Kingsley just play and learn and you take the lumps. The problem here is that we can't just do that because we're a contending playoff team set up to try to make a run at a 3-peat. But what that doesn't mean is that we should cast him aside like he's shit already. The dude needs some time to grow. All these guys needed time to grow, it's just some of them got to start and be shitty for a hot minute without anyone really noticing as much because the rest of the team was dogshit.

Suamataia has the athletic goods to be a really good LT in the NFL. Let's see if he can get the technical stuff down and give him a shot before calling for his head. The mistake was not in drafting him, the mistake was in not bringing in a vet right away to give him the time to grow everyone and their brother knew he needed. A full year of practicing and another offseason will help this kid tremendously. Same goes for Driskell and Hanson and Mettauer. These kids gotta grow.

You act like the draft isn't a complete crap shoot.

I don't think Suamataia can play LT in the NFL. I think he's more suited for RT. Also think Morris is better suited to play Guard, rather than Tackle. We'll see how it all plays out.

Curious why you think he's more suited to Rt? The guy has the measurables and athleticism for any position. I personally think he needs an off season in a pro weight room and to probably train with Mannywether or someone similar. He's shown nothing in my opinion to think one side would be a better fit than the other. He had no issue getting to his spots just absolutely no idea what to do when he got there. That's mental imo not physical.

It's way too early for any of that. You have no idea if he can play LT and neither does anybody else here.

He has “wet the bed”to 3 SB rings.. JFC..Some takes on this board are insane…

I have absolutely no idea how to scout linemen I’m not sure how the hell this guy knows morris is suited to play guard or any of that. It does appear that lt (along with qb) is the hardest position to play in all of sports. Meaning there’s a handful of guys walking thr planet that can do it at a decent level

It has to do mostly with physical traits. Morris is built like a guard but Kingsley really isn't.

Yup. Everyone thought the same thing about Eric Fisher his rookie year. This board hated him

Including me. I learned that lesson.

Yeah this is essentially what I was saying earlier. He may have the potential, I just don't see a path for him, they're not going to give him the opportunity and frankly, I won't blame them. You get better with reps, given what we've seen I don't know they're brave enough to give him the chance.

Well, since you asked me, I took the liberty of trying to find some information. It didn't take long. It was actually the first website I came across. To be clear, this does not make me think anything, it just verifies what I already thought after seeing the guy try to play LT. Also shows that someone other than me felt the way that I do, before the draft. I'm sure there are many different opinions out there. But you just asked so I figured I'd give you a simple answer. Thus far he is player they are describing.

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/kingsl...1-759ae782e397

He's definitely getting another chance. Did we learn nothing from CEH and Skyy Moore?

Yes sir.

True. In a world of absolutes, it's too early to know anything. I'm just giving my opinion based on what I've seen thus far. I'm sure you and I will be revisiting this in the months to come. And, I hope Im wrong. But, in the event that he does end up playing Right Tackle, instead of LT, that would not necessarily be a bad thing.

Kingsley has a guards ass..LMAO

Yeah I've said it before but for me, Wanya's mass is in his lower body. He has a lower center of gravity. He struggles with his outside shoulder in space. He just looks like a guard to me.

Kingsley on the other hand just looks like a tackle. Right or left doesn't really matter. I don't think he's suited to play guard.

Yep.

Yeah, let’s not sit here and act like all of those players weren’t slotted pretty close to where they were drafted. Hell, some had Kingsley going at the end of the first. It’s not like they were all scouted as late round picks and Veach is just randomly reaching for players in the first few rounds. It definitely sucks that they haven’t panned out up to this point. But, come on.

So they think because of his hands he would be a right tackle? Seems more like he’s not a round one prospect so they’re hedging. Fair enough though. I see people wanting to move him to guard all the time. He’s not built like a guard at all imo. And LT and RT aren’t all that different anymore that’s why I asked what made you think that.

A ton of the NFLs best OTs gave up a ton of sacks snd pressures in their rookie years…half even struggled in their second year.

Kingsley looked as raw as it gets snd most of us kinda knew that was a factor in why he fell to our pick in the late second (albeit with a small move up) …

The problem wasn’t drafting him, the problem was taking a very raw kid and throwing him out there on an island against the best pass rushers in the NFL (with no help) when he clearly wasn’t close to being ready for that.

Heck messed up that eval, badly.