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TheGuardian 01-22-2025 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Straight, No Chaser (Post 17927819)
Ed Oliver worries more than DaQuan Jones in the middle, especially on 3rd down. However, fully expect Chiefs to be ready for this. Humphrey’s Advantage: if he gets his hands on Oliver early, he can neutralize him with his size and technique. I also hope Hunt is the main guy running inside this week.

Oliver was the guy in the last game that gave us issues BUT IT WAS AGAINST TREY SMITH.

DJ's left nut 01-22-2025 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 17928111)
Oliver was the guy in the last game that gave us issues BUT IT WAS AGAINST TREY SMITH.

Feels like Oliver has routinely dog-walked Trey Smith.

THAT may be the most important matchup of the entire game. Smith can't just get his ass kicked by Oliver the way he has the last several matchups against t hem.

And there's no reason he should. Oliver is a good player but he ain't Aaron Donald or Chris Jones out there. He's a slightly better version of Tank Wharton. That sort of player shouldn't be eviscerating Trey Smith the way he has.

Smith needs to come to play Sunday or we're gonna have a bad time, regardless of who's at LT.

BWillie 01-22-2025 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 17927803)
It's not just that. The run game hasn't been great with him in the middle.

I thought Hunt looked outstanding last game. How he converted that 4th and 1 out of shotgun (oh Andy bless your heart) was a game winning play. Pacheco gets stuffed there.

RunKC 01-22-2025 11:16 AM

What’s hilarious is that BWillie thinks interior OL don’t matter when Ed Oliver absolutely raped Trey Smith and got in Mahomes face quickly last game. Literally ruined multiple key drives.

Monticore 01-22-2025 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 17928147)
I thought Hunt looked outstanding last game. How he converted that 4th and 1 out of shotgun (oh Andy bless your heart) was a game winning play. Pacheco gets stuffed there.

Pacheco has lost some of his violence after the injury which covered up his lack of vision, hunt looks better for what we do right now.

DJ's left nut 01-22-2025 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Monticore (Post 17928179)
Pacheco has lost some of his violence after the injury which covered up his lack of vision, hunt looks better for what we do right now.

Teams are also playing with heavier boxes against us than they did when Pacheco was at his most dangerous.

Pacheco needs a clear hole/seam into the second level to put the violence and better explosion to good use. He's not terribly dissimilar from Knile Davis in that regard.

But when teams are attacking the run lanes and/or putting another defender in the box because we haven't had the deep ball chemistry to force them out of it, Pacheco is essentially a non-factor.

It's just to muddled for him to be able to blast through. And no amount of 'violence' in his running style is going to have him blasting through 2-3 NFL defenders.

He's gotta slip around them and he just seems ill-equipped to do so.

htismaqe 01-22-2025 11:31 AM

It's Andy Reid and the running game. The BIGGEST contribution we need from the RBs right now is no negative plays. No 2-yard losses, no missed blocks, no dropped passes. For better or worse, that's Kareem Hunt.

DJ's left nut 01-22-2025 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 17928186)
It's Andy Reid and the running game. The BIGGEST contribution we need from the RBs right now is no negative plays. No 2-yard losses, no missed blocks, no dropped passes. For better or worse, that's Kareem Hunt.

And the playoffs have shown the importance of ball security. That's another check in Kareem's favor.

He's just the right guy at this time. Sucks for Pop, but it is what it is. Kareem Hunt fits what this team needs from its RB right now much better than Pacheco. Have Pacheco in there to deliver an impact or two early if you must. His energy probably helps get guys going especially in that first drive or two.

But man, we can't be dicking around waiting for him to discover how to set up blocks. He's had several weeks to get back to what we hoped he might become and it hasn't happen.

It's nut cutting time. Hunt should be the primary ballcarrier even if you decide that Pacheco is still the 'starter'.

New World Order 01-22-2025 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 17928186)
It's Andy Reid and the running game. The BIGGEST contribution we need from the RBs right now is no negative plays. No 2-yard losses, no missed blocks, no dropped passes. For better or worse, that's Kareem Hunt.

Third and 4th and short.

Kareem is the man

BWillie 01-22-2025 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17928165)
What’s hilarious is that BWillie thinks interior OL don’t matter when Ed Oliver absolutely raped Trey Smith and got in Mahomes face quickly last game. Literally ruined multiple key drives.

If you would have read my earlier posts this week I said I would not have an issue with moving Thuney to guard vs Oliver. I just don't think they will do it.

MIAdragon 01-22-2025 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 17928195)
1st through 4th and short.

Kareem is the man

FYP

TheGuardian 01-22-2025 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17928135)
Feels like Oliver has routinely dog-walked Trey Smith.

THAT may be the most important matchup of the entire game. Smith can't just get his ass kicked by Oliver the way he has the last several matchups against t hem.

And there's no reason he should. Oliver is a good player but he ain't Aaron Donald or Chris Jones out there. He's a slightly better version of Tank Wharton. That sort of player shouldn't be eviscerating Trey Smith the way he has.

Smith needs to come to play Sunday or we're gonna have a bad time, regardless of who's at LT.

Yup. For whatever reason Trey has always had issues with him, more than almost anyone. Why, as you said, I don't know. But he tends to cook Trey pretty hard most downs.

He's a good player, but not an elite d tackle so it's always frustrating to watch.

MahomesMagic 01-22-2025 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17928183)
Teams are also playing with heavier boxes against us than they did when Pacheco was at his most dangerous.

Pacheco needs a clear hole/seam into the second level to put the violence and better explosion to good use. He's not terribly dissimilar from Knile Davis in that regard.

But when teams are attacking the run lanes and/or putting another defender in the box because we haven't had the deep ball chemistry to force them out of it, Pacheco is essentially a non-factor.

It's just to muddled for him to be able to blast through. And no amount of 'violence' in his running style is going to have him blasting through 2-3 NFL defenders.

He's gotta slip around them and he just seems ill-equipped to do so.



Oliver wins by jumping through gaps. If you get your hands on him he's done.

JPH83 01-22-2025 01:59 PM

I know Smith's had a couple of rough games against Oliver, but he was also excellent against the Bills in the playoffs, if I remember correctly. Not saying it isn't a potential weakness, but I think it's just as likely he handles him fine. The left side of that OL is still, imo, the weak link.

dlphg9 01-22-2025 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by JPH83 (Post 17928406)
I know Smith's had a couple of rough games against Oliver, but he was also excellent against the Bills in the playoffs, if I remember correctly. Not saying it isn't a potential weakness, but I think it's just as likely he handles him fine. The left side of that OL is still, imo, the weak link.

If I'm Buffalo I wouldn't have Oliver line up against Trey Smith. He'd be across from Caliendo.


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