Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 13437341)

Or you can look at it from the angle of why did the Chiefs even draft him in the first place if they weren't prepared to deal with his well known character issues.

Originally Posted by Bewbies (Post 13437379)

We’ll know in a couple years if they are right.

Washington (college) and the Chiefs were both wrong in thinking it’d be different for them.

Originally Posted by Messier (Post 13437350)

Don't most teams think they can deal with character concerns? The Rams right now are saying, it'll be different with us.

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 13437375)

No, that's on the Chiefs for drafting a well known malcontent and expecting him to change who he is as a person and as a competitor. We got exactly what was advertised when we drafted Marcus Peters. Advertised All Pro talent. Advertised nutcase. You can't just draft a leopard and expect it to change its spots. That's just dumb.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13437380)

Yes, you should expect a 22 year old man to become more mature over the course of three years.

Most people do, especially those presented an incredible opportunity to play a game for millions upon millions of dollars.

If said person stays the same (or in this case, regresses), that's on the person, not the owner, coaches, training staff, front office or other players.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13437377)

I completely disagree.

The Chiefs gave Marcus Peters an opportunity to earn 1st round money and a contract extension if he played well. He played well enough in 2015 and 2016 but his quality of play dropped off in 2017.

His play, in a vacuum, is absolutely no reason to trade him, especially without trading him for a premium return.

Marcus Peters bears responsibility for his actions on the field and off the field. Four Unsportsmanlike Conduct penalties, jawing with the fans, throwing a flag into the stands and quitting on his team have absolutely NOTHING to do with Andy Reid, his coaching staff, the front office and ownership.

His petulant behavior lies solely on the shoulders of Marcus Peters, The Chiefs Franchise and its players are not responsible for keeping Peters "in line".

That's on Marcus Peters.

Originally Posted by Bewbies (Post 13437381)

Nelson and Ford are on the trade block? Where’d we learn this?

Originally Posted by Mother****erJones (Post 13437385)

KC tried to trade Nelson and they asked for Robert Quinn in the deal. That says a lot about Ford.

Originally Posted by NWTF (Post 13437373)

Going by what others have said I believe it really came to a head after the Oakland game when he ditched the team and took the BART back with Lynch and Raider fans to Lynches place in Oakland, then returned to KC on his own all without notifying anyone on the Chiefs. Then the following week he had the meltdown @ the jets when he basically tried to eject himself from the game and they had to pull him out of the shower to return to the field. Then he had the confrontation in the tunnel with his mom afterward.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13437367)

The defense is in absolutely terrible shape, maybe as bad as it's been in 15 years.

The Chiefs have three D-Lineman under contracts and their best player is coming off of another surgery.

They have 2 linebackers under contract in Eligwe and Ragland.

Hali is a goner, Houston's no where near worth his payday, Kpassongon is a huge question mark, as is Dee Ford.

Only a few cornerbacks are under contract in Fuller, Nelson and some scrubs.

Their safeties, beyond Berry, and no one know how long his body will hold up, are generally well below average in Sorensen, Murray and an average Ron Parker.

Beyond that, depth is needed everywhere.

Originally Posted by Mother****erJones (Post 13437384)

Marcus wears his welcome out after a few years. He did it at Washington with the Huskies and now with Kansas City. I’m going to believe he’ll wear his welcome out anywhere. Even in Oakland, if they took him, he would’ve wore out Del Rio. Maybe Gruden could’ve gotten to him I don’t know. But if Reid can’t get to him, no one can but maybe his father. That’s the only spot he’s been on top of it (high school).

Originally Posted by Messier (Post 13437366)

I don't think so. Some here are acting like Reid and the Chiefs are incompetent. That they're clueless how to handle "difficult" player situations. They're not. Hill was a sticky situation to enter into and it's working. The Chiefs AND the player are doing what they need to. It's always a two way street. It's not just on the Chiefs to handle a difficult player. The player has to take responsibility as well.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13437392)

"We" didn't.

Apparently, according to one report, the Chiefs have been offering up Steven Nelson since acquiring Fuller.

Another report stated that the Chiefs asked for Robert Quinn in the Peters trade but were rebuked.

I'm not sure why people are making the leap to Ford being traded (he'd have to pass a physical first, something that hasn't happened yet) but attempting to acquire Quinn should be mutually exclusive from trading Ford, IMO.

Quinn's a great outside pass rusher and would make an immediate impact on the Chiefs defense.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13437388)

High maintenance malcontents at age 25 or above generally don't change, at least until it's too late.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13437367)

The defense is in absolutely terrible shape, maybe as bad as it's been in 15 years.

The Chiefs have three D-Lineman under contracts and their best player is coming off of another surgery.

They have 2 linebackers under contract in Eligwe and Ragland.

Hali is a goner, Houston's no where near worth his payday, Kpassongon is a huge question mark, as is Dee Ford.

Only a few cornerbacks are under contract in Fuller, Nelson and some scrubs.

Their safeties, beyond Berry, and no one know how long his body will hold up, are generally well below average in Sorensen, Murray and an average Ron Parker.

Beyond that, depth is needed everywhere.

Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 13437391)

But the Chiefs were the party to initiate the relationship and were in charge, and they bungled it. Shit happens

Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 13437396)

Peters is another player that would have conformed under Belichick, if I were to bet.


****ing up on Peters doesn't mean they have no idea how to handle troubled players, but you could say they bungled this particular situation.