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siberian khatru 08-02-2018 02:41 PM

Adam had gone 11 straight outings without giving up a HR. I guess he was due.

RealSNR 08-02-2018 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 13656481)
Bitching is a bit of an overstatement. But it's fair to ask why this team is losing so many games. I've argued they should be winning more based on their talent. That's debateable but it's what I think.


Consider how awful this division is. All the teams suck. Cleveland even sucks. An ugly -6 under .500 against non division). If we were in the West or the AL Beast, holy hell we'd be challenging 119 losses. I

What talent? For all the luck the Royals had in assembling their World Series team with so many journeymen and guys available for cheap because they had injuries, they're having just as much bad luck in trying to re-stock those pieces since 2016.

Well, I mean, there have been numerous Dayton whiffs that made this glorious farm system that was the talk of baseball around 2012 actually not all that great, but a bunch of it actually is bad luck, not just bad scouting. Since the World Series, it appears only one high-profile guy from within the minors has been approaching his potential (Mondesi) and only one guy has been a lucky against-all-odds success that nobody saw coming (Merrifield).

And of course, consider some of the other horrific luck-- namely Ventura's passing and Gordon's unprecedentedly awful and sudden drop in batting performance in spite of receiving a contract many people considered to be a hometown bargain.

There are some intriguing pieces here and there who have put together nice stretches of great baseball, but they're too inconsistent to trust going forward as focal points of a baseball team who can one day get back to the playoffs.

At the end of the day, the talent left, the mean regression finally took place, and we're stuck with leftovers of a bad era of drafting. That's why we're this bad.

Munson 08-02-2018 02:45 PM

The pen gives up another HR.

Sad!

gblowfish 08-02-2018 02:45 PM

Bullpen implosion.
Nobody races to the bottom like your Kansas City Royals!

siberian khatru 08-02-2018 02:48 PM

That turned to shit in a hurry

BigCatDaddy 08-02-2018 02:54 PM

On a bright side I think Dayton stole one with Brad Keller. Nice work there.

BWillie 08-02-2018 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 13656589)
What talent? For all the luck the Royals had in assembling their World Series team with so many journeymen and guys available for cheap because they had injuries, they're having just as much bad luck in trying to re-stock those pieces since 2016.

Well, I mean, there have been numerous Dayton whiffs that made this glorious farm system that was the talk of baseball around 2012 actually not all that great, but a bunch of it actually is bad luck, not just bad scouting. Since the World Series, it appears only one high-profile guy from within the minors has been approaching his potential (Mondesi) and only one guy has been a lucky against-all-odds success that nobody saw coming (Merrifield).

And of course, consider some of the other horrific luck-- namely Ventura's passing and Gordon's unprecedentedly awful and sudden drop in batting performance in spite of receiving a contract many people considered to be a hometown bargain.

There are some intriguing pieces here and there who have put together nice stretches of great baseball, but they're too inconsistent to trust going forward as focal points of a baseball team who can one day get back to the playoffs.

At the end of the day, the talent left, the mean regression finally took place, and we're stuck with leftovers of a bad era of drafting. That's why we're this bad.

It wasn't luck. It was getting things that baseball undervalued. Essentially moneyball 2.0. It would have continued to be effective, had the league not juiced the ball. Such as elite relief pitchers, which is the whole reason the Royals outperformed their run diff year after year.Then the juiced ball effectively ended the career of Jeremy Guthrie, and made many of the other fly ball pitchers the Royals utilized ineffective. Fly ball pitching + speedy OF with + defense was a staple of those World Series teams. They can utilize the size of Kaufman to the best of their advantage, and not have to pay for it. They utilized contact hitters to be the best of their advantage. Once the ball became juiced, it neutralized those hitters to some degree and placed higher importance on the fat guy who hits fly balls.

RealSNR 08-02-2018 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 13656665)
It wasn't luck. It was getting things that baseball undervalued. Essentially moneyball 2.0. It would have continued to be effective, had the league not juiced the ball. Such as elite relief pitchers, which is the whole reason the Royals outperformed their run diff year after year.Then the juiced ball effectively ended the career of Jeremy Guthrie, and made many of the other fly ball pitchers the Royals utilized ineffective. Fly ball pitching + speedy OF with + defense was a staple of those World Series teams. They can utilize the size of Kaufman to the best of their advantage, and not have to pay for it. They utilized contact hitters to be the best of their advantage. Once the ball became juiced, it neutralized those hitters to some degree and placed higher importance on the fat guy who hits fly balls.

I'm talking about a very specific part of that WS team being luck.

The Royals don't go to the World Series if they don't hit on most of if not all of these calculated risks:

Chris Young
Ryan Madsen
Edinson Volquez
Kendrys Morales
Alex Rios (who finally put it together in the final part of the regular season)

They batted 1.000 on those guys.

Moore deserves all the credit in the world for those guys, but just as easily as you can absolutely nail a 2 year $20 million contract for a guy like Volquez, you can extend at a "hometown discount" a guy like Alex Gordon and see him absolutely tank in his OBP and power, even if you took into account him seeing a gradual slight regression in those areas when you offered him the deal.

Discuss Thrower 08-02-2018 04:07 PM

Two playoff appearances, two pennants and an average of 86 wins per season over five years.

Just about any fan of a team that isn't located in Boston, Chicago, Los Angeles, New York or St. Louis would be fools to say that's worth firing a GM over.

suzzer99 08-02-2018 06:03 PM

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Bowser 08-02-2018 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 13656915)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hold your phone, he&#39;s got a cannon! �� <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/RaisedRoyal?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#RaisedRoyal</a> <a href="https://t.co/Qe0mkVA0YP">pic.twitter.com/Qe0mkVA0YP</a></p>&mdash; Kansas City Royals (@Royals) <a href="https://twitter.com/Royals/status/1025104562724724739?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 2, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Prison Bitch 08-02-2018 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 13656735)
I'm talking about a very specific part of that WS team being luck.

The Royals don't go to the World Series if they don't hit on most of if not all of these calculated risks:

Chris Young
Ryan Madsen
Edinson Volquez
Kendrys Morales
Alex Rios (who finally put it together in the final part of the regular season)

They batted 1.000 on those guys.

Moore deserves all the credit in the world for those guys, but just as easily as you can absolutely nail a 2 year $20 million contract for a guy like Volquez, you can extend at a "hometown discount" a guy like Alex Gordon and see him absolutely tank in his OBP and power, even if you took into account him seeing a gradual slight regression in those areas when you offered him the deal.



Didn't they go to the World Series the year before without any of them?

Discuss Thrower 08-02-2018 08:29 PM

:facepalm:

Titty Meat 08-03-2018 01:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 13657175)
Didn't they go to the World Series the year before without any of them?

Lmao also didnt young or Maidson do their best to blow it vs Houston?

Fansy the Famous Bard 08-03-2018 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 13657332)
Lmao also didnt young or Maidson do their best to blow it vs Houston?

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